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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Monday, August 01, 2005

What do we actually want from the west?

Okay, here is something that's been on my mind for a while now, and I can't personally figure it out, so I am asking you guys for help. Ok? Ok Does anybody know what we- as Egyptians- really want from the west, in regards to our current democratic situation? It is no secret that the only reason why we are having so-called democratic reforms now is due to the fact that the US has been pressuring our beloved President. This fact usually garners 2 responses from people and divides them into 2 groups : 1) One group that is angry at what they view as foreign interference in Egyptian affairs; or 2) One group that is dismayed at what they view as fake or not enough pressure exerted on our Country to reform. I can't personally decide which group confuses me more. The people that are angry at the US and the EU for exerting pressure on Egypt to reform confuse me because they are protesting against a generally good thing that is in their benefit. They remind me of the battered wives that go bail out the husbands that are in jail for beating them: They know that they are giving their abusers sanction to keep beating them, which they don't like, but they don't want them in Jail for it either. Like the Wife on Cops that yells at the officer "That's none of your business! Let my Husband Go!" for arresting her Husband for giving her a black eye. Their rational: "Such reforms should come from inside and shouldn't be forced on us. What, are we helpless children or something, that we need the USA to demand Democracy in our name?" To them I say : Yes! I am sorry, but you are defending the person who abused you and oppressed you for the past 24 years. The person who, if it wasn't for the US pressure and its presence in the region (which you so oppose), wouldn't have tolerated a single word of dissent from any of you and would've thrown every Kifaya/democracy activist in jail till Kingdom Come. You are basically angry at the US for doing what you couldn't do, for exposing you for the helpless choiceless victims that you were for the past 20 years. I am not saying that the democracy activists that are protesting now were silent before, I am saying that they couldn't be heard, weren't allowed to organize and could never have criticized the President publicly before. The US pressure that you decry as foreign intervention every 5 seconds is the reason why you and those people now have voices, whether you like it or not. "No", they say. "This is a time of national crisis, Egypt is being targeted by the Jews and the Americans. We have to rally around our national leader and support him and his and his son's right to oppress us for decades to come. Hey, America, why don't you mind your own business?" And then they mention incoherent babblings about Gitmo , the Patriot Act, and Abu Gharib as if Egypt didn't have the emergency law present for 24 years and has prisons with torture experts that make Abu Gharib seem like Disneyland. Whatever... Then you have the second group and they confuse me even more; they are the ones that are mad at the US and Bush for not exerting more pressure on Mubarak to reform, yet they never actually specify what the US is supposed to do. This is my question to them : What kind of pressure do you want the US to inflict on Mubarak exactly? What is the specific method of your liking that you want them to implement on him? What more do you want the US to do? Do you want them to cut the US Aid off of Egypt? Would you like that pressure tactic, despite its economic repercussions? Would it really achieve anything tangible on the national level, except maybe keep more people hungry? Would you rather that they place trade sanctions on Egypt? Is that more to your liking? Because God knows it didn’t work with Iraq, Syria or Libya. Or would you prefer that they come and liberate us Iraq-style and deal with the mayhem that is sure to ensue? Is that what you are talking about? If not, then what is? Can you be more specific please, because i am having troubles understanding you here. Look, the US has done as much as it possibly could without exploring those options, and the rest is supposed to be up to us, and yet we are not doing anything. The people have become so complacent, docile, afraid and apathetic that it seems that they have lost the will to move, think or act. I mean, the fact that in a country of 70 million, the majority of which are poor and not happy with the government, the biggest demonstration against the regime never exceeded 5000 people is very telling (that’s 0.00007 %, people). It seems like everyone wants some change to happen, but they want someone else to do the actual work. How can anyone help you if you refuse to help yourselves? You get angry at the US for keeping their relationship friendly with the regime, well, what exactly is their alternative? Ayman Nour, as much noise as he makes, doesn’t have a broad constituency or appeal. The Muslim Brotherhood with their members and sympathizers maybe- and that’s a big maybe- make up 4 million Egyptians (5% of the population), but they belong to group # 1 and recoil at the notion of talking or dealing with the Americans, not to mention they switch sides so often I can’t really figure out what they stand for. What viable choice or alternative to Mubarak does the US have in this country? Does anybody have the answer to that question? I would love to hear it. Look people, this isn’t the Ukraine or Lebanon: It will take a miracle or an act of God to get our people to develop a sense of self-worth, rise up in numbers and demand their rights. This is our defect and our problem, not theirs. So if Mubarak gets back in Power in 7 weeks, don’t blame the US for not putting too much pressure on him like you would like to, but rather blame yourselves, because it’s nobody else’s fault but our own.


At 8/01/2005 07:41:00 AM, Blogger Orientalism said...

Here is my litmus test for the U.S's intentions: Will they actually support democracy and whatever it entails, or will they support jimmy when its his time comes? For some reason, I think I know the answer to that one.

At 8/01/2005 07:52:00 AM, Blogger aliandra said...


In the middle-east, the US is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't.

Oh yeah, that can be extended to the rest of the world too.

At 8/01/2005 08:25:00 AM, Blogger EECW said...

Oh my. What you "know" and what I "know" is fundamentally different.

This fact is an outcome of the Press' not telling the truth about anything. They are lap-dogs and lackeys for corporate entities.

God bless you and keep you. I see you're trying to know what is true, and it breaks my heart, you can't know. You can't see through the lies. But, lying is official policy of the USGubmint, you see?


Also SEE See Majestic12 -- http://www.abidemiracles.com/4321009.htm -- Lying since 1952

See Northwoods -- http://www.abidemiracles.com/6787659.htm -- Lying since 1962

Nothing you read in the papers is correct. Nothing.


I'm so sorry.

At 8/01/2005 08:36:00 AM, Anonymous Don Cox said...

Does that US aid do Egypt any good? Or does it simply make Egyptians lazy? Why exactly should US taxpayers give money to Egyptians?

At 8/01/2005 08:45:00 AM, Blogger Orientalism said...

Egyptians dont see much of the money anyway, the regime uses it to prop itself up. Why should the presidential republican guard have f-16's and advanced weaponry? I recon the U.S should stop the aid, the thing is, its a strategic issue tied to the compliance with camp david, the "payoff" in steet lingo, so it isnt as simple as cutting it off.

At 8/01/2005 11:19:00 AM, Blogger stefania said...

Wow, I like how you put your links ! Go ahead, baby !

At 8/01/2005 12:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

EECW You are a loon with a tin foil hat, watch out for the flying monkeys shooting ray guns at you.

I understand group 1, nobody likes a back seat driver. So even if what the USA says is correct people are going to get angry at us anyway.

At 8/01/2005 12:26:00 PM, Blogger thewiz said...

Nothing that EECW said was the truth. . .I am so sorry.

The one thing that the US should do is to pressure the Egyptian gov to allow for freedom of the press. The press there is terrible, from what I have heard. A free and open press would allow for democracy to take hold, which of course is the reason its not allowed! And thats the truth. . . .

At 8/01/2005 02:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at what Poland did. What was the watershed moment that woke the Polish out of their fear? I'll tell you. It was when the Pope came to visit.

You see, before that event, the Polish weren't allowed to demonstrate in any large groups. But at that event, hundreds of thousands gathered together and realized that they had POWER.

Even Gorby said that the downfall of Communism began when they allowed the Pope to visit Poland.

Egyptians need to realize that they have POWER over those who would oppress them.

Look at Lebanon. They gathered together and realized that they have POWER.

Look at Ukraine. They gathered together and realized that they have POWER.

Egypt needs its watershed moment that convinces its people that they too have POWER

At 8/01/2005 02:12:00 PM, Blogger Dan said...

As an American, I have heard of "US aid" being sent all over the world for over forty years now. All it is used for is to prop up corrupt and tyrranical regimes. It was even given to the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

I think that the best thing America can do is to not give Egypt, or anyone else for that matter, another red cent.

Then tyrranical regimes will not be able to afford the armaments to oppress their populations. Then, the United States will NOT be part of the equation.

At 8/01/2005 02:22:00 PM, Blogger Take a bath said...

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At 8/01/2005 05:47:00 PM, Blogger Mister Ghost said...

Egypt wants to know what makes Dolph Lundgren, the star of Universal Soldier and He Man: Masters Of The Universe tick. Once Egypt is able to decipher Dolph's magnificence, the possibilities are endless: Giant Pyramid Spaceships running on cold fusion; free Banana Daquiris to every Egyptian over the age of 12; Camels shitting gold bars. My God, the things that can occur.

Behold you Infidels, the wonderment Dolph is, that Egyptians must seek to know(From the ESPN Message Boards):

*Dolph spent two years with Ernest Hemingway in Cuba, learning to bullfight before quitting when he decided that bullfighting was too easy

*Once Dolph was challenged to arm wrestle while in line at Burger King and he screamed so loudly that all the glass in the restaurant shattered.

*Dolph has no elbows -- he had them removed because they limited his range of motion.

*Dolph eats a grapefruit and nine slices of wheat toast with butter for breakfast every day -- on Thursdays he also has peanut butter on the toast.

*When Dolph turned 16 his Dad chained him to a pipe in the basement by his neck, and Dolph had to free himself by breaking the chain using only his neck muscles... it took him 8 minutes

*Dolph can shoot a thin red laser beam from his eyes.

*Dolph was a consultant during the making of the video game "Contra".

*Dolph once bit through a lead pipe -- he thought it was candy.

*Dolph and Larry King co-own a tourist resort in Nepal called "Bamba Napapito" -- sometimes Dolph acts as chef for the resort, and prepares his specialty for the visitors: cantaloupe and mutton fritatas

*When Dolph was born he weighed 38 pounds, and he immediately began singing the Canadian national anthem

*Dolph doesn't wear shoes because he thinks they make his feet look small, but he doesn't want people to know, so he had his feet tattoed so they look like shoes

*When Dolph was at Stanford Law, he woke up in the middle of the night and wrote the entire script for the movie "Men at Work"

*Dolph's first-born son drank only guava nectar until his 12th birthday

*Dolph's best friend is a polar bear named Tostuka (tose-TU-ka)

*Dolph's normal body temperature is 101.3 degrees

*Dolph built a house out of pancakes in Venice, where he vacations in the spring

*Dolph wowed those in attendance when he played the tuba after accepting the Best Actor Award at the 1987 Oscars for his depiction of Nelson Mandela in the movie "Journey to Freedom"

*Dolph refuses to use apostrophes

*Dolph went to a slumber party when he was in high school, where he slow-danced to the song "I've got you Babe" with Barbara Streisand

*Dolph concocts and supervises the set design for Cirque de Soleil performances

*Once, Dolph got drunk in Berlin and started a food fight that resulted in two days of city-wide power outages.

*Dolph's hair is the world's third most powerful magnet.

At 8/01/2005 08:24:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the shadow of the ghost,

I in the shadow say, no American worth his salt should trust any government, including our own. Verify Verify Verify and be vigilant so to protect our hard won rights.

At 8/01/2005 08:30:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandmonkey, I read this site all the time including the comments. EECW posted the craziest comment ever. What do you "know"?


At 8/02/2005 04:58:00 AM, Blogger JohnL said...

Mike, click on her profile, then go to her webpage, if you really want to know.

I think I can predict your reaction if you do: Oh. My. God.

It isn't just that the woman has a few strange ideas. Rather, it would seem she's trying to corner the market on them. I've really never stumbled across anything quite like it before.

Sorry, EECW, but that's the truth as I see it.

At 3/03/2006 07:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why in the world does anyone think democracy is a good thing for the middle east? Take Iran. When Khomeini took over the government, we could tell ourselves the majority of the people were being oppressed by a small but powerful group of radicals. Now that Iran has a democratically elected radical leader, we have the comfort of knowing that it really is the whole country who is out of their minds, right? Democracy for Palistine = Hamas. Of course. And who can possibly think that Saddam was anything but the right man for the job in Iraq? Democracy for Iraq = bloodbath, with the bloodiest, most ruthless and aggressive leader to win. I wonder if he will be friendly to the U.S.? Democracy is the process people turn to AFTER they have collectively decided to live together civilly. Democracy isn't some magic kitty dust that will make a dissent filled population suddenly behave like Norweigans or Englishmen. Sheesh.


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