Reasons for Katrina
So far here are the causes for Katrina, according to some people: 1) Al Qaeda did it. (Who needs WMD's when you got martyr Hurricanes on your side?) 2) It's because of New Orleans abortion clinics. ( They claim that its satalite photo looked like a 6 week old fetus. I am not kidding.) 3) It's God's punishment to America for slavery and racism. (And that's why most of the victims seem to be black people. Yeah, that makes sense.) 4) It's because Reagan beat Carter. (Does that mean we should blame Reagan or blame Carter?) 5) It's God's punishment for the gays. (And this is why the Hurricane didn't attack Boston or San Fransisco. Oh.. wait a minute..) 6) It's all Bush's fault. (Isn't everything?)
posted by The Sandmonkey @ 9/02/2005 12:37:00 AM
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You missed a reason.. According to Muhammad Yousef Al-Mlaifi, director of the Kuwaiti Ministry of Endowment's Research Center, Allah did it because we are evil.
My response to this supposedly "intelligent" individual?
Umm.. OK. The Americans lost a couple towns, and a few hundred people due to "Allah's wind".
Muslims lost hundreds of towns and hundreds of thousands of people in Indonesia, due to Allah's water..
So, who do you think Allah is most angry with, Mr. Al-Mlaifi?
Now for my serious discussion on the matter.
Why is it that Muslim's tend to believe that anything bad that happens is God's (Allah's) action as retribution or revenge or vengence? While I'm not certain, I'm pretty sure there is a Devil in the Muslim faith, just as there is in the Christian faith.
So, if there is also a Satan/Devil/Evil Guy with horns in their religion, why do they believe that only God or Allah could be responsible for all the horrible things that happen to basically good people?
Take the horrendous Tsunami destruction in Indonesia? By Mr. Al-Mlaifi's reasoning, all those people were evil, and God was punishing them. As a Christian, my first thought, my very first thought was Dear God, please save those poor people. I literally wept as the sheer enormity of the destruction began to unfold. Only two times in my adult life have I literally cried for anyone but my own immediate family. 9/11 and 12/26.
Unlike Mr. Al-Mlaifi, my first thougth was NOT, oh well, they must have been evil and nasty people, so God punished them.
God creates, Satan destroys, no? At least is the belief of Christians, and I'm pretty sure that is the belief of Muslims as well.
I'm just glad that the majority of the good people in the Middle East don't take clowns like Al-Mlaifi any more seriously than the dirt they scrape off the bottom of their shoes.
Steve,
ehh, how can I put this to you? Ok, u know how in the old testement god used to lay a can of whoop ass on people whenever they didn;t act right? You know, before the loving Jesus make-over, when he was big on the wrath and the smiting? Yeah, that's the same God Muslims believe in.
And it's not just muslims mind you, I counted 2 church groups in the examples I have in this post. A lot of people believe that Gid is big on punishing the wicked via natural disasters, and what's more wicked in their opinion than the Town that hosts Mardi Gras?
Ahh, Ted. They should use him to plug that hole that's letting all the water in in that levee system. I think that would make him greatly usefull. Plus, the Man drowns hard. I am sure he will survive smehow!
Originally poste by SM
They should use him to plug that hole that's letting all the water in in that levee system.
While they're at it, they might as well extract Michael Moore from the fat farm retreat in Florida and use him as a sandbag, too. He'd be useful to society for a change.
Sam.. You're smart but not fair.
Are you trying to please to a pro-Bush audience?
You know what was the first thing that souther Baptists said last year about the Florida set of hurricanes? They said it's because president Bush' "Road Map", he's letting go the promised land.
Sibak men di...
Now tell me something: why are Afican Americans overrepresented in those left behind in NOLA?
Why didn't NOLA get the same attention NY got in 9/11?
Don't give me a rapid answer because you know I'm not just here for rhetorical debates...
" It's God's punishment for the gays. "
Well.. why didn't they rather say: Strip Clubs, Bourbon Street, The pagans and Voodoos?
Funny enough, I can bet you anything that strippers are the only intact group; they're the ones who can afford evacuating first:) I'm sure the city of NOLA's big shots were to their rescue :)
Ramy, what are you talking about in regards to pleasing the Bush crowds? I think the amount of crazies who want to blame natural disasters on man's sins are worth making fun of, is all. I even tried not to mention what the muslims and arabs say, because, u know, the Al Qaeda one was more than enough to shame us forever.
As for the blame Bush thing, well, it's sad that the Bush haters are using a natural catastrophe to attack him, and not only him, but Reagan as well. To say that anyone could've done anything that would've stopped Katrina is nothing but mere speculation and blame shifting. Neitehr of which are productive at the moment.
Now, between you and me, I am thinking that the governer of LA needs to be fired. She is the governer, she is in chrage of the National guard, she should've had some evacuation plan ready. It's why she is the one keeping a low profile and quiet. It takes time to do things on the fedral level, which is why they have the state level. I don;t know why the blame-placers skip the governer and the NO mayor and go directly attacking Bush, altough the cynic in me would say it's probably because they are both democrats.
As for the gays instead of the stripeprs and Vodoo, I dunno. I know i am sad hat I didn;t get to enjoy mardi gras before and I hope I would get to do that one day. And it's a good thing that the strippers got our first: we gotta save the goodlooking morally loose women from drowning. They are not exactly a common commoditty, now are they?:P
New Orleans is 67% black, R.
But, that said, it does seem that the percentage of black refugees I'm seeing on the news is higher than 67%... I don't really know the answer to that. It may just be the neighborhoods the news crews are in? Or, the neighborhoods that were hardest hit?
The poor, the sick, the old, the gangs, the thugs, the street people stayed.
Like the Kid said, because the Mayor and the Governor didn't have a good plan and didn't work the plan that they [didn't have].
Here are some quick facts about the area (select city or state).
But then again, if they had the best of plans and the best of people and execution, I don't know that it would have drasticly different outcome.
The disaster was done both by Mother Nature and by Man (over the last hundred and someodd years).
Mother Nature is her own boss,
Man has many bosses and politicians that usually see to it that, anything that needs to be done is done the long and hard way.
That way, they make more money.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
I asked God that you find good leaders there. You deserve it.
P.S.
There is here.
I love you.
Sam,
I acknowledge that it was a bit impulsive to say that you're trying to defend Bush, but yes, I think he acted slow and I think this is his nature: he does nothing without consulting people first.
As for who to blame, the old rule is: Blame the leader. So, yes, I agree the NO mayor and LA governor are to blame first (compare to Juliani's stand on 9/11); however, Bush is also to blame, not only because he's the boss of the federal government, but he really seemed unaware of the scale of things until 3 or 4 days after.
I don't want to seem silly here, but I would compare with Mubarak (the guy who-in spite of all his flaws-has the military leadership training): he cut a visit to China to come back for the Egypt earthquake many years ago and he did the same for Sharm. You know that he doesn't do that for photo ops. He has been like this always since he restored the Air Forces post 1967. Bottom line, I think Bush is a poor leader, and please don't take me for a leftist bla bla bla...
Katrina's aftermath surprised everybody, but look how differently Bush acted in the pre-elections Florida hurricanes last year. And don't tell me, it's all because his bro was a good man in charge...
Steve,
Thank you for parroting the talking points (lies) of the Right.
a) "Each state has 100% control over their Guard units."
What a weasel you are. No, LA had 100% control over about 33% of their Guard units, their first responders are in Iraq, along with much of their necessary equipment.
b) "LA didn't even declare a 'state of emergency' until 2 or 3 days after the fact."
Wrong, all of this happened Saturday, August 27, 2 days BEFORE the hurricane hit land: State of Emergency declaired in Louisiana
and Governor asks Bush to declare federal state of emergency. and of course Federal Emergency Declared, FEMA given full authority to respond.
Let's just blame everybody, R.
Instead of understanding deeply what complex events one after another really took place.
Much easier to blame. And blame also those who refuse to blame while we are it.
I blame the green monkeys of Sowl who, two decades ago, sued the US. Government for planning to built floodgates designed by the Marine Corps engineers..
The judge favored the ecologist group.
They choose the environment over human lives, and the decision actually contributed to an ecologic disaster by drying out the land in some area.
I want to hear more about this story!
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