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Thursday, October 20, 2005

Entropy

As if the state of religious harmony wasn't already in shambels in Alexandria thanks to last week's attack and siege of a church by angry muslims duped by local MB parliamentary candidate, it seems that the situation won't get better anytime soon: The Mujahedeen of Egypt have issued a statement threatening the "cross-worshippers of Egypt" (Hattip Ritzy), and now a young man stabbed a nun and another man in a church in Alexandria while shouting "Allahu Akabar". While the young man was later arrested by the police and while the injuries sustained by the nun and the man were not dangerous, this incident is clearly disturbing, especially given the timing. It may be too early to call it, but there may be a resurrection of secterian violence in Egypt between christians and muslims once again. In a country that claims to be religiously tolerant, it never occured to the people who rule it that it may not stay that way without emphasizing the importance of respecting people from other faiths than that of the majority. After years of the government encouraging openly racist hate-speech against the jews- a.k.a. the evil infidel descendents of the pigs and monkeys-amongst its majorly muslim population because it gave the people someone to hate besides them, they seem rather surprised that the people started having the same attitude and using the same terminology against the christians. The subtitution of the Jews by the christians as objects of hate was rather easy, given that they were both minorities and that there is increasing envy amongst the muslim population because they seem to have this view that the christians are wealthier than them, which of course breeds and fuels the resentment, not to mention the continious marginalzations of the christians in Egypt in terms of representation in government or even being viewed as citizens of Egypt. I used to laugh my ass off when on national television they would congratulate "our christian brothers" on their holidays. I always wonderd, if we were all egyptains and equal, how come when the muslim holidays come along, they won't congratulate us the same way? I would love it if they announced a season greetings to "Our Muslim Brothers" on TV. I believe it would give the islamists ulcers. But even that, which is nothing but a stupid and symbolic example of how deeply rooted inequality and racism in Egypt really is, doesn't happen and likely never will. And yet people wonder how it's so easy in a country as "religiously tolerant" as ours, things like what's been happening in Alexandria could happen. Sigh... No wonder all of my christian friends want to leave this country. I don't blame them. I just feel horrible that this is how badly our state of religious harmony has regressed. Egypt used to be a country where Jews, christians and muslims lived side by side as Egyptians. Now the muslims have effectively kicked the jews out and are working on doing the same to the christians, so that egypt could be a 100% islamic country. I don't know what the victory in that would be really or what purpose it would serve. All I know is that if its price is the persecution and uprooting of a defenseless minority that Islam and the Koran stated should be repsected and protected, then the whole thing can be damned as far as I am concerned.

21 Comments:

At 10/20/2005 05:04:00 AM, Blogger shamoussa said...

:(

Sigh

 
At 10/20/2005 05:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately what you are saying is true. Sometimes I wonder what will happen to us in the near future.
Marmar

 
At 10/20/2005 05:57:00 AM, Blogger Mia said...

I wish what you were saying about the Muslims effectively running the Christians out of Egypt was an exaggeration. Alas it's not I just got word that b/c of the happenings in Alexandria my Coptic friend is leaving Egypt. I can't even imagine the pain of leaving your home b/c of religious persecution. Yeah I know it's happened before but you would have figured something would have been learned.

 
At 10/20/2005 06:39:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a social aspect, that you are not actually considering here..!!
Have you seen the church..? do you have any idea where is it located..? do have any idea how the ambiance of the zone where the church is located ,is like..?? do you know anything about the residents of this specific Zone 'Muharam Beih' , where all the action took place..?!
Well, i am not defending the sick strategy of government of putting non-muslims ,into a subject of hate, or defending the sick attitude of some muslims againest 'OTHERS' ,as long as they are not muslims. But i guess this is not the case here.
Regarding the church location. we are talking about place of a very low social standars ,a zone that is not far away from drug dealing 'headquarters'( yes very near form the best drug selling locations in Alexandria) ,surrounded by suburban places ,where actually local alexandrians (like myself) have no idea where do they lead to.
i am not sure what zone could resemble it in cairo (so as to give a clearer picture) , but what i know is that we are talking about a place where terms of drug and violence, are familiar.
Also one major thing, about the Muslim and Christian palimantary candidates , this very circuit is a good target for "ikhwan" , and they already have members there, But the competition is tough,with the other Usual popular christain candidate..(as majority of zone residents are christians )
That is what has supported the rise of action,and crime. In another words , it wouldnt have happened in another church, even with the same palrimentary elections circumistances.
So, kindly ..dont generalize.., this is a very special case study, that can not be abstraced from PLACE or TIME..!

 
At 10/20/2005 06:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so u r saying it's an isolated incident? In 2 seperate churches? Ok then. Let's blame it on poverty in a country where over 40% are under the opverty line, and see how this comforts you.

 
At 10/20/2005 07:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To any christian in egypt reading this.....get the heck out. Unless you're Moses with an order from God to go free His people in Egypt, then high tail outta there.

jonas976

 
At 10/20/2005 08:02:00 AM, Blogger Mia said...

Yes, I have seen the church. Yes I have seen the area. Yes, I am familiar with the ambiance of the area and none of that is justification for the ignorance, violence and intolerance that's being directed towards the Christians. The persecution being done in the name of religion and righteousness is immoral and against all the teachings I ever learned in terms of religion.

 
At 10/20/2005 09:28:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As i have said befor..i am not defending the sick attitude of people or the lame startigies of the government. But this very case is not a good example for generalization.
Other churches have larger theaters with regural performances usually, where non-Christians are welcomed to come and watch..!
No Violence ever happened..so why NOW , and in this church..!!?
That's what i am talking about.

 
At 10/20/2005 09:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you and I posted very similar comments on my Canadian Pharaoh blog. Christians are Egyptians and have contributed positively to the motherland over the years.

Omar Sherif (originnally christian), Youssef Chahine (Coptic Catholic), Boutros Ghali (Coptic Orthodox), Dalida (Italian orign-Catholic), the Sawiris family and hundreds of business owners that lost everything in the 1960's after Nasser's revolution called Egypt their home.

The hate must stop. Christians help contribute positively to Egypt's image, prestige and economy.
We should all learn to live in peace with eachother.

 
At 10/20/2005 11:26:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Mike, I just got in an argument with somebody on another blog who claimed Middle Eastern society and culture was none of America's business and none of America's concern. Maybe we should actually make that statement as "true" as we can, and not allow Arab muslims to come to the US. I'd really hate to see that happen, but the mentality that "it's none of our concern" when muslim Arabs continue to murder Americans in the name of Islam is ridiculous.

 
At 10/20/2005 12:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vox Populi,

I'm not saying they have to leave; I'm saying they should leave. There's a difference. If they stay, who's going to protect them? Who's going to stand up for them? The overwhelmingly Muslim governement officials? The mullahs and clerics? I know if I was a Coptic in Egypt, I would find a way to leave to a country like the US. When it comes down to it, it's all about self-preservation.


jonas976

 
At 10/20/2005 01:20:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

How's about we trade our anarchists for your Christians, Sam? Maybe we could sweeten the deal, and throw in some ACLU lawyers?

 
At 10/20/2005 02:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How's about we trade our anarchists for your Christians, Sam? Maybe we could sweeten the deal, and throw in some ACLU lawyers?

Yeah, we can throw in all the aclu lawyers, starting with their founder. I'd like to see those legalistic bullies sue the clerics over separation of religion and state. :]

jonas976

 
At 10/20/2005 02:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a terrible shame. The Egyptians have lived together as Christian, Jew and Muslim for thousands of years and yet suddenly they can't seem to get along. What has changed, and who has changed it?

Egypt's economy is dependent on tourism, yet if you allow the unique flavor of the country to be destroyed, who will want to come to see it?

 
At 10/20/2005 03:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an American of Egyptian Muslim origin. Muslims in the Middle East have become extremely arrogant, hateful and never question themselves, their culture or their motivation. That is a recipe for disaster. They might win some by terrorising the world. But eventually the hate will come home to roost. This is self destructive to the Muslim world. The Muslim culture needs reformation because it is rotting from the core.

 
At 10/20/2005 03:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is this stupid goose? A baathi canadian goose? A MB canadian goose? Go get yourself a brain before you speak your non-sense. Don't try to give us this apologetic BS on this blog, go find yourself some lefty idiot who'll listen to you.

 
At 10/20/2005 04:35:00 PM, Blogger Freedom For Egyptians said...

Hi Sam,

I have my contribution on the stabbing of the Egyptian nun, but not from the religious point of view but from Egypt's historical point of view.
http://freedomforegyptians.blogspot.com/2005/10/disturbing-news-from-alexandria-egypt.html

 
At 10/20/2005 06:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not surprised at all. When you see that jews were virtually kicked out & became unwlecome in their own country, it is just a matter of time before the remaining groups start to turn on each other.
With all these sermond hating speeches against crusaders & jews, what does one expect, coming from a population where 45% of is illiterate. I think he who cannot tolerate the other who is different is simply very weak & frail. I hope these events dont escalate further.

 
At 10/21/2005 08:56:00 AM, Blogger yochanan said...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051020/wl_mideast_afp/egyptvoteislamists_051020180918

 
At 10/21/2005 06:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is all the condemnation of these attacks in media and the mosques? If Egyptian Muslims believe that Islam is the religion of peace that should be condemning any and all attacks against people no matter what they believe.
Sectarian attacks became an all too familar part of Northern Ireland but now the different Christian faiths stand together condemning all attacks.
One example is after a firebombing of a Catholic church the local Presbyterian church volunteered to help in the clean up to show their total disagreement with this attack.
We believe in the one God though our faiths are different. We are one family of God therefore an attack on Christian/Muslim/Jew is an attack on your own family.

 
At 10/21/2005 09:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter-Australia, you are right, we are all of the same family just different branches of the same tree.:)

 

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