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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Wednesday, March 09, 2005

The story of two protests

Ok since i am annoyed by all the people who are like" ohh look at the pro-syrian protest, it was so much bigger then the anti-syrian one. Whatchu gonna do now mr america lover?", i decided it's time to put things in some sort of persepctive. Ot ar least attempt to anyway, god knows i am kinda biased to begin with. But hey, who isn;t these days? The Anti-Syrian protests: Comprised of christians, druze and sunnis lebanese people , with the residents coming mostly from Beirut and the surrounding Areas. They represent Lebanon's view with the exception of that of the shia lebanese, but at it still represents the lebanese majority, since the Shia are only 35% of lebanon. They are the mostly educated lebanese people, and their rallies were a spontenious effects caused by the Rafik Harriri assassination. Their goal is to get the Syrian troops, intelligence officers and cronies out of Lebanon and establish an all Lebanese government. The Pro-Syrian protest: Comprised of the lebanese Shia and the syrian workers living in Lebanon and organized by the Syria and Iran funded Hezbollah. They mostly come from the South of Lebanon, which is not the most educated or developed part of lebanon, where anti- American and Istraeli sentiments run high. They represnt the view of Hezbollah and their backers and the Syrian and lebanese government, but as we said before, actual represntation of the lebanese population isn't more then 35%. The rally took days to organize and Hizbollah used many diferent ways to pressure people to go, including using the "Israel" Boggyman and how this was all a zionist conpriracy to take over Lebanon. Their official goal is "to stop foreign Interfernce" in Lebanon with the exception of Syrian Interference. Their motivation is their own interests, not that of Lebanon. They fear of losing the protection and funding of Syria and their own basic survival, since they are put on the US terrorist group list and if the UN security council resoploution is implemented , they would have to disarm and actually be civil people. Now, take a look at these pics and tell me, which protest would you rather be on? Pro-Lebanon protest Pro Syria Hezbollah Protest Pro Lebanon Protest (Notice the amount of women present) Hezbollah Protest ( Notice the female/male ratio?) Hmmm............. I know which one i would rather be at! Now, taking in regard Twosret comments here concerning the size the the pro-syrian protests in compared to the anti-syrian ones, i have the counter argument to make, well, actually i am not the one making the argument as much as i am borrowing the argument and work of Mr Astuteblogger , who did all the clalculations himself: What does it say about the neojihadists that their demonstration in Beirut today was a man-only affair? YUP: that's right: While watching news reports on TV and looking at jpegs at blogs, I couldn't help but notice a HUGE difference between the two sides in Lebanon: on the one hand, the anti-Syria demonstrations in Beirut were obviously, totally PLURALISTIC: men and women; Christians, Druze, and Sunni; and people of all ages; and they were all HAPPILY proclaiming their the occupation of their country by the fear-mongering forces of anger and repression. On the other hand, today's Hizballah demonstration was huge, but exclusively male - and angry looking; even their speakers sounded angry - ESPECIALLY Nasrallah. I think this says a lot about each side - EVERYTHING, in fact. Besides explicitly demonstrating their beliefs, each side implicitly demonstrated what kind of nation they would engender: the anti-Syrian side showed that they embody pluralism and democracy - and even "the pursuit of happiness." Hizballah showed that they are sexist, xenophobic, and violent-at-heart. This is a classic "Good versus Evil" match-up, and it's why we must be willing to support the anti-Syrian side with EVERYTHING we got! AND ANOTHER THING: Were all those angry pro-Syrian men Lebanese? I find that very VERY hard to believe. HERE'S WHY: news agencies estimated the Hizballah crowd at nearly one MILLION people - THAT'S 25% of Lebanon's population! And since it was a MALE ONLY crowd, that would mean that the total pro-Hizballah population (which after all - like the general population - include an equal amount of women) would account for 50% of the nation's population! Well, that's MORE than the number of Lebanese Shia! YUP: according to the CIA, Lebanon has about 4 million people, of which only 35% are Shia. If half are male, then there are only 500,000 male Lebanese Shia - which means that maybe HALF of the pro-Syria, pro-Hizballah demonstrators WERE NON-LEBANESE - and were either Palestinian Arabs from the UN run refugee camps, or Syrians! THEREFORE, I think ONE MUST CONCLUDE that many MANY MANY of the Hizballah men demonstrating were Syrian - or Palestinian Arabs from the UN refugee camps. (AT LEAST HALF!) That's ANOTHER reason we must support the pluralistic, pro-democracy - LEBANESE side over the pro-Syrian forces! I, as you all know, naturally agree with him. Now, i know, some of you will say that this is misleading, since some accounts that there was only 500, 000 protesters at the Pro-Syria Rally. Well, my boy Astute accounted for that as well: A few astute commenters - and a more recently filed AP report (cited above in the INSTAPUNDIT link) - relate that perhaps the crowd was ONLY HALF as big as earlier reports: ONLY 500,000 (and NOT 1 MIllion). Further, these more recently filed reports state that the crowd was largely segregated by gender; this may account for the fact that many MANY videos and MOST still photos showed only males. This adjusts BUT DOES NOT NEGATE the thrust of my argument that: (1) Hizballah's crowd was mostly male; (2) that it was mostly VERY angry; (3) that its staging reveals that Hizballah is very sexist/gender-biased; (4) and that they may have coerced many people to attend. If there were 500,000 Lebanese Shias there, then it was nearly 50% of ALL the Shias in Lebanon! I believe that this is simply NOT LIKELY; therefore, I believe non-Lebanese people made up much of the Hizballah crowd. And then he delivers an awesome ending: Bottom-line: Commies Stalin and Mao got huge crowds. Commie Kim Jong Il still does. These leaders - like Nasrallah I suspect - made their people afraid NOT to show up and wave the flag. Which is another reason why I have more respect for the Christian, Druze and Sunni Lebanese who demontrate each day in Beirut's Martyr's Square: they show up and demonstrate at great peril. Whereas, I suspect that many of those in the Hizballah crowd were people who (like Stalin's and Mao's and Kim's tryannized people) were afraid NOT to demonstrate. Which actually makes sense if you think about it. Hezbollah literally controls South of Lebanon. If you didn't show up to show your support, well, people might tell on you and people might shun you as some sort of America lover or Israeli agent or a coward or whatever. As opposed to the Pro-Lebanon protests that was basically an unorganized response from the lebanese street in protest of them not being in control of their own country. Also, the Pro- Syria protests are supported by Both the Lebanese and Syrian governments and Hezbollah, which makes them all very organized and having access of government support and funding, while the Pro- Lebanon protests were just basically the people acting on their own. Which one do you think is more honest? I know my answer to that question!

36 Comments:

At 3/09/2005 12:22:00 PM, Blogger WakkaJewbacca said...

Sam,Did you put up the pictures of the hot Lebanese chicks just for me? I like the one on the cover of the "Weekly Standard" the best.

 
At 3/09/2005 12:32:00 PM, Blogger Louise said...

I was thinking the dude in the first picture was alright, too. But you know what, the women are very striking. They look like my daughter, who favours her mother ;-).

Anyway, Sandmonkey. Why are the angry young men so angry? Is it really because they are afraid not to be or is it because they have been trained since toddlerhood that it's the manly thing to do. You know. Swaggering machismo and all that. They make such lousy lovers, those types. They don't make up for it with intellect, either, the poor fools. Pity the poor women. Such a wasteland.

 
At 3/09/2005 02:43:00 PM, Blogger Tina said...

I couldn't agree with you more. The faces tell the story. The anti-Syrian protesters are joyful and full of energy, and the pro-Syrian protesters faces are full of anger and hate.

Everyone should hope the anti-Syrian factions win. Life will improve considerable in Lebanon.

And Louise, I agree, men like that DO make lousy lovers.

 
At 3/09/2005 10:05:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

I read half of this post and think it is really getting silly here. Why you didn't put the picture of Haifa Wahby vs. Asalaa Nasry to get more support Sam?

Hezbollah earned the love and respect of all Lebanese. The portest wasn't about Lebanon vs. Syria as you claim, it is about UNITY of the Lebanese and their independence.

The angry men from the south are the ones who faced the American ships bombing their lands and the Israeli occupation for 18 years backed up by the American administration. They are loyal to Nassrallah and Assad because they Liberated them from the Evil super power and it's puppet or should I say gay friend Israel.

As for Louise and Tina's out of topic comments. If you try a Lebanese or a Syrian you won't even look at a face of an American man.

I'm glad you don't know what you are missing otherwise you will be the ones that are very frustrated with the lovers you have.

 
At 3/09/2005 10:57:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Now back to you Sam,

Let us focus back on the main issue, which is Harirri's killing that raised this crisis. Logically speaking if Syria is behind this, it must be judged an act of political suicide. Syria is already under great international pressure from the US (God), France and Israel (Sharon the Slut of US).

To Kill Hariri means that Syria is destroying it's reputation once and for all and hand it's enemies the weapon to blow them away.

Syria's enemies are the one that benefits from this situation. Hariri never joined the opposition of the Pro-Syrian Gov. of Lahoud or Hezballah he actually worked hand in hand with the Pro-Syrian Gov. for 10 or 12 years to rebuild Lebanon as their Prime Minister. Only a couple of months before his death a disagreement happened between him and the Gov. of Lebanon he resigned.

Few days before his death he held a very successful meeting with Syria's deputy forgein minister, Walid Muallim. Hariri confirmed his visit to Syria to mediate between the opposition and Syria to create unity.

When Rustum Ghazalah (Head of Syrian Intelligence) insulted Rafik Hariri for his opposition to Lahoud. Bashar Al-Asad (Syrian President) fired his boss immediately and replaced him by his own cousin General Asaf Shawkat.

Syria came to realize that it made a grave mistake by sticking its nose too much in the Lebanese affairs.

Both Walid Jimbalat and Rafik Hariri got an OFFICIAL warning from the UN about their safety. Walid Jimbalat said that on a public interview few days after Hariri's death. The question is...if the UN had enough information that their life is in danger based on some report, why doesn't the UN tell us who the killer is?

There is no short list of the potential candidates (far right Christians, muslim extremists who never forgave Syria for repressing them in the 80's or my fav. candidate Israel).

Despite our disagreement about Israel let me do my favorite part of blogging by analyzing their motivation in few points: -

-Israel ambition has long been to weaken Syria, cut off Iran and destroy Hizballah

-Israel has a long history and experience in targeted assassinations not only in Palestine but all over the middle east (Tunis, Beurit,Malta, Amann and Damascus)

-The only force that drove Israel out of Lebanon for 22 years was Hizballah and defeated them. Hizballah scares Israel for it's deterrent capability.

-Syrian friendship with Iran scares Israel because Iran development of WMD breaks the monopoly of Israel over those weapons.

Despite France's problems with Syria they refuse to label Hizballah as terrorist organization they are considered national liberation as well as big political actor.

My dear friend Sam there is far more to this crisis than a struggle between rival clans in Lebanon.

Everything is magically working towards the American and Israeli benefits.

T.

 
At 3/10/2005 08:18:00 AM, Anonymous Jeremy said...

Twosret, Did the jews pull off 9/11?

 
At 3/10/2005 07:07:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Bin Laden the terrorist made in USA did :) the war on Iraq was cooked in Israel by Israeli experts that reported the WMD to the US.
So much in the pocket of the big fat sharon and Mufaz to report to their American friends (Iraq, Syria, Iran....) and the lovely big map of Israel.

The victimized nation of Israel that have done nothing wrong to the world and has been slaughtered all through the decades. Sniff Sniff hand me a tissue I'm crying already :(

We the arabs have nothing to do but to blame the sweet innocent nation of Israel.

 
At 3/11/2005 07:27:00 AM, Blogger Louise said...

Towsret, you might want to try writing coherent sentences. The only thing clear in this scrambled mess you wrote above is you're an angry young man.

 
At 3/12/2005 05:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, well. If I go to an anti-Syrian rally, I will encounter people like Sam. If I go to a pro-Syrian rally, I will enounter people like Twosret........no contest.

Bridget

 
At 3/12/2005 02:47:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

That is all what the tank thinkers Louise and Bridget(Canadian and American) had to post.

They sound like Rice to me when she had the audicty yesterday to mention UN resolutions and try to enforce the UN resolution 1559.

What about the following resolutions Rice? From 1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.

LOL
T.

 
At 3/12/2005 03:19:00 PM, Anonymous Jeremy said...

You're right twoset, I can't believe she had the audicty to mention UN resolutions. I say this because the UN isn't biased at all and is obviously staffed by some of the best "tank thinkers" around. Just like this bright idea...
Cuba, Zimbabwe, and Saudi Arabia have been selected to the Working Group on Situations, a five-member panel that makes final decisions on which human-rights petitions receive consideration before the full 53-member commission.

 
At 3/12/2005 03:21:00 PM, Anonymous jeremy said...

oh yea, I forgot. LOL!

 
At 3/12/2005 04:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Twosret :) talk about double standards LOL

 
At 3/12/2005 07:53:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeremy,

I will give you an example to show you that you are only B.S. Twosret to underestimate her facts.

The UN General Assembly demanded Israel on July 20, 2004 to abide by the International Court of Justice's ruling and tear down the separation wall, but Tel Aviv defiantly pledged to pursue the construction.

The voting result was 150 to 6 with 10 abstentions on the resolution aimed at dismantling the 370-mile (600-km) controversial barrier, reported Reuters news agency.

All 25 European Union countries voted in support of the Palestinian-drafted measure after its Arab sponsors accepted a series of EU modifications over days of intense negotiations.

Voting "no" were the United States, Israel, Australia and the Pacific island states of Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

The resolutions Twosret posted are valid and are not voted for by Cuba, Saudia Arabia as you claim.

Now you can Laugh your Ass off.

Sheriene

 
At 3/12/2005 09:09:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The United States of America vito every UN resolution against Israel with no shame. Huh! Bias! What bias is this freak talking about?

How many of the posters here have been to Lebanon and Syria or even read a book about Syria? I have to exclude Twosret this guy knows his business. Thanks dude for very good information. Your english is perfect don't worry about those freaks.

David (Israeli and absolutely with your views)

 
At 3/13/2005 07:43:00 AM, Blogger Louise said...

Twosret. Here's part of my theory about the war in Iraq. It was undertaken partly to put Israel in a place where they would owe the US big time, or else lose their longstanding support from the US.

The first thing that had to go before Israel would be in a position of owing big time, was the ugly, brutal consequences of nearly 50 years of Arab Nationalism.

Striking at Saddam Hussein was the right move to get that started. Saddam Hussein was the root that nourished the branches of Arab fanaticism. And you my dear, are the but the latest shoots at the end of those branches. Still young, but already showing signs of the ossified hatred that has kept Arabs in a backward position for so very, very long.

I have never been a strong supporter of Israel and I have always believed the American's blind support of that nation was a big part of the problem. But that part of the problem had it's nemesis, a flip side of the coin, if you will.

That nemesis was Arab Nationalism, championed by dictators, which after nearly three quarters of a century has not accomplished one tiny little iota of their goal with respect to Israel.

Evidently, about the only accomplishment Arab Nationalism can lay claim to, as far as their obsession with Israel is concerned, is they have created a legion of anal-retentive angry young men, who, like you, are totally incapable of thinking outside the box.

Well, the war in Iraq has allowed the outside of the box thinkers to finally have their say, and before you become willing to loosen your asshole and purge yourself of all that shit, their ideas will bring about a just solution in the Middle East, for Arabs in particular.

If you are as young as your fixation with mindless rote regurgitation suggests, you still have a chance to open your mind to new ways of thinking.

I'm sorry to break the news to you, but shit happens in this world and the pursuit of hopeless causes eventually brings one to ruin. The world moves on and you are stuck where you are, still beating a dead horse, working yourself up into a frenzy.

But take heart, the dead horse's corpse is rotting, turning into fertilizer for the new society that is emerging in your part of the world. Hop on board sweety and start growing. When you get to be an old man, you will marvel at the exhilaration and enlightenment that can come from continual growth and renewal.

If you don't understand that now, perhaps it is because you are still young. If you still don't understand that in your old age, then I feel sorry for you. You'll be a lonely,isolated old man, the butt of numerous jokes for the new Arab youth.

 
At 3/13/2005 02:46:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Sheriene, David and Anon.,

I'm actually surprised to see some new people to support my views on a certified right-wing blog (winks @Sandmonkey).

Louise,
Insulting me is not going to strengthen your logic (I doubt it you have one). No one asked for your opinion on the war on Iraq (Comprehension problems), the topic is about Lebanon and Syria not Iraq. Arab nationalists huh?! you are for sure absent minded.

You sound like a blonde bimbo with the lovers comments, it suits you better and give you an excuse LOL!

The rest of the Gibberish you posted is not worth commenting.

T.

 
At 3/13/2005 09:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can diagnose you with passive aggressive Louise without needing a clinician. Your twisted vocabulary and ideas must have many medical terms that haven’t been invented yet.

What the fuck are you trying to say old Ogre? Your thoughts are more dangerous than Saddam Hussein. You are even more dumb than Bush.

David

 
At 3/14/2005 09:23:00 AM, Anonymous wxjames said...

The men in the pro-Syria rally look worried. What can they be worried about ? The camera ? Yes, that's it. They were brought to the protest and they are expected to act like they support the Syrian president. I would worry too if saw the camera pointing my way. I would cheer and chant and wave my banner. Then, if I was lucky enough to miss the bus back home, I would hang around for a pro-Lebanon rally, and hunt for chicks.
But, if I had only the hate in my heart as Twosret, I would strap on a splodyvest and walk to Israel. I wouldn't care about chicks, I wouldn't care about Lebanon, I would only care about jihad. Thank you mom and pop for bringing me into this world of pointless jihad.
I would hate the world.

 
At 3/14/2005 11:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James,

David is Israeli and he supports Towsret views, does that make him a terrorist also?

Give us your views about who killed Hariri, the conflict between Syria and Lebanon, why America supports Israel blindly instead of throwing your nonsense with no valid argument or reason, give us a good argument without seeking personal attacks like the clown Louise.

I should add that any Jew who cries over holocaust should be doomed as a terrorist and hater of Germany for what they have done to the Jews. Unless Palestinians are substandard humans that should never be outraged at the blind support of the killing of his people.

Twosret, I read earlier posts on different blogs. You rock girl!

Oh Lord this blog lacks intellectuals.

Shery

 
At 3/14/2005 02:35:00 PM, Blogger Louise said...

Look at this you two bit little losers.

Speaking of intellectual, Twoshits, I was speaking about the Arab/Israeli conflict and the link the war in Iraq has to it. Don't blame me if you can't understand English.

And by the way, Shery, the word is "deemed", not "doomed". You are right, however, about the lack of intellectuals on this site. Keep it coming. I love it when the two bit losers of the world engage in self-incrimination.

 
At 3/14/2005 08:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louise, Sandmonkey quoted a couple of references and you come up with a third MSNBC article.

I don't mean to insult you but you are confused and confusing others and creating a mess in this discussion. I would like T.&S.& D. to elaborate more on their views. We need to hear the other side of the story.

I think Twosret made a very important eye opener on the resolutions and hope he/she (not sure about identity) to elaborate.

Sharon-Memphis-TN

 
At 3/14/2005 08:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louise, Sandmonkey quoted a couple of references and you come up with a third MSNBC article.

I don't mean to insult you but you are confused and confusing others and creating a mess in this discussion. I would like T.&S.& D. to elaborate more on their views. We need to hear the other side of the story.

I think Twosret made a very important eye opener on the resolutions and hope he/she (not sure about identity) to elaborate.

Sharon-Memphis-TN

 
At 3/14/2005 08:42:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louise, Sandmonkey quoted a couple of references and you come up with a third MSNBC article.

I don't mean to insult you but you are confused and confusing others and creating a mess in this discussion. I would like T.&S.& D. to elaborate more on their views. We need to hear the other side of the story.

I think Twosret made a very important eye opener on the resolutions and hope he/she (not sure about identity) to elaborate.

Sharon-Memphis-TN

 
At 3/14/2005 08:42:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louise, Sandmonkey quoted a couple of references and you come up with a third MSNBC article.

I don't mean to insult you but you are confused and confusing others and creating a mess in this discussion. I would like T.&S.& D. to elaborate more on their views. We need to hear the other side of the story.

I think Twosret made a very important eye opener on the resolutions and hope he/she (not sure about identity) to elaborate.

Sharon-Memphis-TN

 
At 3/14/2005 08:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I missed one important point. Nothing in the article you refer to Louise mention Iraq or the war on Iraq. I couldn't find Israel in the link either.

Did you post the wrong article?


Sorry didn't mean to post four times. Something is wrong with the comments section.

Please delete extra posts Sandmonkey.

Sharon-Memphis-TN

 
At 3/14/2005 08:58:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sharon,

Professor Louise with her conspiracy theory is living in a different world, if she invests more time to comprehend instead of insulting she might get anywhere . She is deemed to be stupid. I think we need to ignore her to move forward with some constructive exchange of views.

Sheriene

 
At 3/14/2005 09:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm Lebanese living in the US, I would like to tell the author of this blog that he got his wires crossed. I'm proud of every Syrian soldier who died while protecting my land and family and for giving us freedom and hope for the future.

Our country was destroyed by civil war and Israel and it is sad to see bloggers trying to make it a war match. Sryians and Lebanese lived through hell together. We want Syrian soldiers out but we are grateful to those who died for us to give Lebanon and Syria freedom.

The initial emotional comments after Hariri's death were all based on outrage not facts. Nobody knows yet who killed the man. If any of the bloggers here have the best interest of Lebanon in their mind they should encourage our good relations with Syria.

Thanks Twosret you are a brave man who are able to see some truth. We need to join more blogs and comment more. I always thought Egyptians liked Lebanese people, I'm not sure why Egyptian bloggers are giving a wrong image to the west.

Karim/Lebanese/USA

 
At 3/15/2005 05:07:00 AM, Blogger Louise said...

Sharon from Memphis TN, just because you are learning something new from Twosret's comments doesn't mean no one in the rest of the world hasn't heard this stuff before. The UN resolutions regarding Israel are old, old stuff. I've heard it millions of times and it's one of the multitude of reasons I have never been a strong supporter of Israel.

I used to support the Palestinian cause, but under Arafat's long and corrupt dictatorship that cause soured and became a bizarre portrait of the macabre.

I've been listening to strong-man thuggish tactics coming from the Arab side since I was old enough to notice such things (the late 1960s), and have come to the inescapable conclusion that there are two intractable problems in the Arab/Israeli issue. Israel is one. Arab Nationalism is the other.

Twosret expresses himself in the style of the old Arab Nationalist, just blind rhetoric over and over and over. He's been doing it here. He has also been doing it at Big Pharaoh's site. I've heard it from him and I've heard it from legions of others soooo many times, it is instantly recognizable.

If you want to learn from him, be my guest. I am not stopping you. Just bear in mind, what you learn from him will be a petrified position from one side of a conflict that neither side seemed to want to settle, until now. The side that is now changing is the Arab world, not Israel. They will be the ones who lead the way, and I suspect Israel will follow. Poor Twosret and his ilk are being left behind, to wallow and rot in their anger and belligerance.

However, I could say that it's about time that more people took a more balanced look at the whole Arab/Israeli conflict. In the US in particular, many, many people have had blinders on for the past 50 some odd years. I'm glad that these blinders are finally coming off, thanks to George Bush and people like Sandmonkey and numerous other Arab bloggers, who are finally reaching a Western audience with the truth. A truth expressed, BTW, with honesty and without behaving like a thug. If Twosret could lose his belicose language, he might get somewhere with me, but I'm not holding my breath.

But sure, sit at his knee and learn. I've been there and done that with Arabs that are old enough to be his grandfather and who were much more gentle and articulate. I was married to an Iraqi Arab/Canadian way back when. I learned from him, from many of his relatives and from other Arabs not only from Iraq but from Egypt, Lebanon and other places, that the Arab Nationalist dictators did not speak for all of their people.

Indeed, I learned far more from them than you will ever learn from Twosret. Twosret wants to live in the past and apparently needs to go to great lengths to discount the phenomenal winds of change that are sweeping over the Middle East. Kind of makes you wonder what his objective really is, but that's his problem, not mine. If he continues to practice his Arab Nationalist way of communicating with me, he can expect that I will dish it back to him in equal measure, whether you like it not.

 
At 3/15/2005 08:33:00 AM, Anonymous Hassan said...

To all,

If you'd like to get some in-depth analysis of the Hariri assasination, read the following article. Very perceptive:

http://arabist.net/archives/2005/03/15/who-killed-hariri-an-interpretation/

 
At 3/15/2005 08:38:00 AM, Anonymous wxjames said...

twosret lists 65 UN condemnations of Israel, but no condemnations of the PLA. Israel has only one friend in the UN, the USA. Many countries trade with Israel, but they don't vote to support Israel because they don't want to piss off their neighbors. The UN has not found it in their hearts to condemn the PLA. They have no problem with children bombers. They have no problem with training children to kill themselves and then paying their parents for their deaths. The UN sucks. The Lebanese people have rallied again. This time, they dwarfed the pro-Syria rally. Really, folks, this isn't rocket science....The Israelis have attemped to live a modern life in the ME and they are plagued by suicide bombers. The Lebanese have tried to live a modern life in the ME and they are infiltrated by the backward thirteenth century Hizbollah.
What assholes who read this don't believe in a free, modern, liberal society ? If you don't get it, I don't need to discuss anything further with you. It's time to stop the constant anti-Jew bullshit and join the free people of the world. If you don't want too, Twosret and David, go live in North Korea, and take the PLA with you.

 
At 3/15/2005 09:39:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James,

Please get permission from Papa and Moma to discuss politics with arab terrorists on the internet. They might tell you not to chat with us just in case one of us blow up your screen.

High five Twosret :-)

Sheriene

 
At 3/15/2005 10:08:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are very unlucky James Instead of going to sleep. I kept reading older threads on Sam's archive. I found this perfect reply to your liberal, modern, free establishement of Israel in the ME.

It was posted by Twosret on Jan.5th, 2005 under "Response to Magdee" in reply to similar Bullshit like yours. It's a masterpiece.

"Here is some HISTORY Documented of the ISRAELI TERRORISM for you to read.

After the state of Israel was established, the Lehi, displeased with what it considered the too pro-Arab views of the Swedish UN-appointed mediator for Palestine, assassinated him; on September 17, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte-who, as a neutral diplomat in World War II, had saved thousands of Jews from Nazi death camps-was shot and killed by Lehi assassins, along with French colonel Andre Serot, the senior UN military observer, whose wife's life had been saved by Bernadotte.

The Bernadotte assassination was so outrageous that the nascent government of David Ben-Gurion had little problem disbanding the Lehi (though none of the assassins were ever brought to justice). Yet, despite this history of terror, the Israeli Ministry of Defense underwrites museums commemorating the Stern Gang and the Irgun- which, under Menachem Begin, bombed the British headquarters at the King David Hotel in 1946, leaving 90 dead and 45 wounded (with 15 Jews among the casualties). Like Lehi, it wasn't until 1948 that the Irgun was forced out of existence, after its arms-transport ship, the Altalena, was blown up by the provisional Israeli government-a point analysts like Ibish say bears remembering.

"There are streets named after the assassins of Moyne and Bernadotte. They are historical figures not disavowed by the rhetoric of the state of Israel, nor is there any reflection on the fact that two terrorist leaders later became distinguished leaders of the republic," Ibish says. "And now people are saying that Arafat must have his Altalena." Ibish adds that Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, "never moved against the Irgun and the Stern Gang until after the state was established and secured, which is definitely not true in the case of the Palestinian Authority. Essentially, the Israelis are asking the Palestinians to do something they themselves refused to do." ___"

Sam, I hope I didn't violate any copyright and my picture won't be posted tomorrow morning on your blog first page under "breaking news".

Sheriene

 
At 3/16/2005 10:35:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

J.,

Your post is very weak and you don't even know what you are talkign about.

1- It is called the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) not PLA.

2-Lebanon was ripped apart by civil war between Christians, Druz and muslims (get yourself a 101 history book)that caused years of destruction so they didn't really live a modern liberal life as you claim. Hizballah were the ones to liberate Lebanon and unify it at the end from the plague Israel that invaded Lebanon for long years.

3-The occupier is Israel not Palestine, the resolutions are usually against the occupier and the aggressor not the occupied.There might be some desperate hopeless suicide bombers out there thinking that blowing themselves up will bring back the land (which I never endorse), but the F16 and Apache and cluster bombs are much greater weapons that Israel use to kill innocent people in Palestine on daily basis.

4-The free people of the world that you want me to join are losers and assholes who watches Fox and Msnbc and have no idea about history and politics or the other side of the world.

As Sandmonkey said I'm female and Christian and my family have witnessed history unlike your claims of free world and civilization that accuse people to be terrorists.

Now next time you post try to do your homework and read instead of throwing some ignorant comments based on nothing but personal B.S.

Say hello to your Mama and Papa for me and tell them that you have made a fool out of yourself today.

 
At 3/18/2005 02:21:00 AM, Anonymous DWMF said...

I reckon a large percentage of the pro-Syria demonstration were Syrian soldiers in plain clothes. I'm surprised they weren't marching.

 
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