I HAVE HAD IT!
Yahoo news says thata there is 62 dead, the TV says between 70 and 85. The carnage is devestating on TV and in the pictures posted on the net. The fact that this was done on the Holiday memoralizing the "glorious" 23 of July 1952 socialist reveloution that brought us our leaders for the past 53 years is an irony that isn't lost on anyone. This is it again. What I have been talking about all along. Last October I saw the exact thing happening and no one really minded much but me because a lot of the dead were Israelis. Well not this fuckin time. There are no more excuses to be made. This is a war and those people want you dead, whether you like it or not. So WAKE UP ALREADY! Kimo, I am with you. Let's form our own vigilantie group and hunt those fuckers down. I want them dead. I want them set on fire alive. I want to piss on their graves afterwards. And you know what? If they are doing it out of "isalmic" reasons, then I want their bodies desecrated. I don't want to bury them right. I want to bury them wrong. No reading of Koran on their bodies. I would wash them with whiskey and roll them up in a cum soaked bedsheet of a diseased jewish Hooker and then build a whorehouse or a nightclub over their "graves". I am not sure what this would accomplish exactly , but it would make me feel hell of a lot better. It's us or them guys. I know it's too much of a manichian concept for most of you bleeding hearts with your "not excusing their actions but we under stand where they come from" bullshit, but that's the simple truth. I choose us. Fuck it , just in case you are one of those excuse-making idiots : I CHOOSE ME! I want to live in peace , and If in order for that to happen, every goddamn Jihhadi with a "cause" has to die, well, they just got to go. It really is that simple. I know where I stand, do you?
posted by The Sandmonkey @ 7/23/2005 01:30:00 AM
30 Comments:
I agree with all what is said..too angry to nitpick at this point and split hairs at any of what has been posted here...what really sound appropriate at this moment is Karim's suggestion re taking the street and saying it out publicly--
Sync up with this protest then. This is your chance. We have written enough about what we think should be done. We need to show these people and the world that we won’t tolerate the rape of our country. So sync up man. Put it together, you can still stay anonymous and there won’t be any governmental opposition. You get a lot of traffic, utilize it.
Karim Elsahy
The decent people of Egypt need to get angry within the mosques - they need to shout down any cleric who dares to give a half-hearted condemnation of terrorism.
“It says anyone who kills a human being, except as punishment for murder or villainy in the land, shall be regarded as killing all mankind.” "Militant Muslims easily deploy the clause beginning with "except" to justify their rampages." Irshad Manji
The decent people of Egypt need to reject this clause. Say no to jihad - say no to Hamas/Hezbollah/ al-Qaida.
Stefania,
What you wrote is not true most of the victims are Egyptians not Italians.
You cannot take revenge on the actual bombers because they are already dead. What is needed is first class intelligence work to find the puppet masters behind them. ___ As for the clerics, their ideas can only be defeated by a strong theological campaign. It has to be shown that terrorism is contrary to Islam. If this cannot be done, then a new religion is needed.
You should do what the American general did to the Moro terrorists in the Phillipines a century ago...capture a bunch, line them up, pull one out at random, shoot him in the head, and bury him in a fresh pigskin right in front of the others (this reputedly stopped the rebellion).
Sam...what's the biggest Mosque there that doesn't preach hate and death to infidels? What's the biggest Mosque that preaches hate and death? Where's the Hizbollah or Hamas offices? Where's the Muslim Brotherhood? You would need thousands if not a million to march. You need to start at the Mosque of Peace and march to everyone of these locations and declare a Jihad on Jihad. A Jihad for Peace.
The only way you stop this is making the idea of the Peace Jihad THE idea. We need to take the word back from the nihilist while giving them something to redefine it. Of course, if you could coop the MB and the Kifiyah movement in there and a bunch of Imams willing to risk it for peace. The only thing is that it would have to be agreed that this would be a non political movement with no signs but Peace.
Peer pressure is about numbers and consistent message. You want to learn how to run a campaign for peace? Maybe you should hook up with someone from the Lebanon movement that can tell you how they did it. How did they get a million in the street peacefully? Text messages on blue tooth?
And, sir, they are playing it here consistently, but no one has claimed it. Any info on that?
Sam...I almost forgot, please, my condolences to the families and friends of those who died. I feel great anger but also great sadness that someone could take the lives of 50 people they didn't know and in such a way that the bombers risk nothing really.
As for identifying who these folks are, I am thinking you don't have to look far for them. They have offices in the open there. they have mosques. They have civic centers and other places that they hang out. People know where the "jihad spirit" is.
Glad to see you're OK and in a fightin' mood, Sam.
The perpetrator’s bodies have already been desecrated. In Islam, as in the other two monotheistic faiths, suicide is a sin, because it is not up to man to decide when a life is to be ended (that is one of the many contradictions I found in the Holy Quran… How can you call for Jihad and the death of infidels when you are not supposed to decide when a life should end, only God can do that? You may say you are acting for God, but I would say an all powerful God does not need your help. He gives life and he takes it away. Perhaps you should be more concerned with improving your own soul instead of terminating other’s “improvement” session on this earth?)
First: condolences for everyone that got hurt in this shameless action of disrespect for human life, coming from this heavy heart...
There is this one thing that keeps popping up in my head all the time, over everything else that I've read and came to know about it later:
The initiative of the MB was to prepare the grounds for one whole Islamic Waqf - all over... Since then many "groups", "movements" have been established with different "tactics" - and also terror... jihad, but with the same goal.
They are the underlying current for all that is happening: al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hizba'llah ... the whole schpiell, it all comes down to one source: the ideology of the MB (as the principles stated in their manifest - see: all the terrorist movements imply them, exactly the same words..)
Now: getting "rid" of Israel is one part of obtaining their goal ... Whoever objects to their interpretation of the Islam is another part of it. Curiously people that abstain from their ideology (but for different reasons) find themselves in the same boat but have been made each-others enemy by their manipulations (for, if they wouldn't exist, a solution to "our problem" would have been reached since the signing of the Oslo agreement: which calls for negotiation by way of talks, not violence!). And, if anyone ever dares to introduce the Palestinians' interests in their plans he must know that he's been fooled quite competently by them. Cause... the Palestinian human-being means nothing to the MB, or its "branches" other than puppets on a string, (if you would know what I know from Palestinians who've not lost their head yet in their heavy indoctrination and unquestionnably follow the masses.. You're shot dead on the spot if you refuse to sanction their orders - so far for a humane intent, or even "justice"!).
So, I think that if the Egyptian people want to annihilate terror they should do so by reaching out to the very root of it: the MB...
Question is: do they want that? Or do they still find consolation for what they think is their problem in the very party that is the cause of it all, or..... are they actually for the most part behind this ideology?
Unfortunately I don't think demonstrations against terror are gonna be productive (sorry) if not the root-cause is addressed....
Take care, Sam & be well
Tse.
Please accept my condolences for the deaths and injuries of Egyptians and foreign visitors who were attacked in the new set of bombings at Sharm el Sheikh. I regret their suffering and that of their families and friends.
I am so sorry to hear about the terrorist bombings in Sharm el-Sheik. I know Egyptians are proud of this place, and I recall that our presidents have visited there on important occasions.
I am so sad for Iraqis, for Egyptians today, and for the British--and many before, the Balinese, the Turks, the children of Beslan, the Russians in the theatre, those of 9/11, and on and on.
Is this the world we have to live in ? Our president thinks freedom and democracy is the answer. But is it?
Aphrodite
We want the Muslim world to come into the 21st Century, embrace the rule of law and discard religious government. (And a lot of us would like the Republican Party to do these things as well! We'd also love it if the Democrats would get a clue, or even a grip, but reality intrudes on this fantasy, at least as of yet.) We want to see the Muslim world rise up against the murderers, and prove that Islam is the Religion of Peace we are always told it is. I know that it is dangerous to speak out against the jihad murderers in Muslim lands, but you must, if your people are to avoid being exterminated by the West in self-defense.
And make no mistake: the next large terrorist attack to happen on American soil will unleash unimaginable violence against Muslims in retaliation. God help you if it's atomic in nature, whether nuke or dirty bomb. Our leftist appeasers will be shouted down, if not worse. Either Muslims can start dealing harshly with the jihad murderers, or us targets of jihad will do so ourselves; the problem is, we can't really tell the difference between jihad-minded Muslim and peaceful Muslim until it's too late, so we're going to have to strike pre-emptively, and a lot of good and innocent people will die.
Muslims know who are the jihad murderers and who are not. If this problem is to have a non-apocalyptic end, Muslims must be the ones to bring it to that end. The West can help, but we are alien to your societies. You must fix this yourselves, Muslim world; you're the only ones who can.
I am so sorry. If there was a way that I could bring the dead back to their families and loved ones, I would. I only hope that something, anything constructive can come of this horrible loss. That would defeat the terrorists in a small way. I wish that my country had taken better care of the goodwill generated by 9/11 and done more to change the world in a positive way. I'll be watching your site, and if I see anything I personally can do from the States side of things, I will do it. Thank you.
don't confuse things there is a big diffrent between Hamas ,HizbAllah which are resistance for an occupation and AlQaada people who are terrorists .
the accident of Sharm is horrible ,and i feel sorry for all victms ,and sorry is not enough too .
May Allah have mercy on all victims.
There is absolutely no difference between the Hamas, Hizba'allah and al-Qaeda... They all stem from the same root, with the same goal. Some kidnapped the tragedy of one people and made it worse. That's all.
That is bullshit. That is why nothing gets done. Pick up a god damn picket, call 3 friends, and go stand on 6th October Bridge for 3 hours. So what if it turns into only 20 people. People need to see something happen and they will join. But action needs to be taken because all this writing is getting pointless.
Karim Elsahy
I am not sure about some of your rantings but I like the desecration of their graves bit. Dig a post hole and dump them head down.
For those who claim, "it is the U.S. policy that causes terorrism," I wonder which of these are wrong:
"I believe that freedom is the future of the Middle East, because I believe that freedom is the future of all humanity."
The written National Security Policy of the United States of America: "We will champion the cause of human dignity and oppose those who resist it."
"We will persistently clarify the choice before every ruler and every nation: The moral choice between oppression, which is always wrong, and freedom, which is eternally right. America will not pretend that jailed dissidents prefer their chains, or that women welcome humiliation and servitude, or that any human being aspires to live at the mercy of bullies.
"We will encourage reform in other governments by making clear that success in our relations will require the decent treatment of their own people. America's belief in human dignity will guide our policies, yet rights must be more than the grudging concessions of dictators; they are secured by free dissent and the participation of the governed. In the long run, there is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty."
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Far from empty words and double standards, the USA has desposed two brutal regimes and is doing its very best to bring freedom to these countries.
*start of RANT*
Anonymous 10:40 AM, you know very well that those are indeed empty words , and even if they are spoken in sincerety which I highly doubt with the US past record, the 2 deposed regimes you are speaking of have not been dealt with to 'free' the people of that region but only because the US felt threatened after 9/11 and had to be seen doing some kind of action to placate it's own people. Fortunately for the US , this action did help in attracting the terrorists far from the US so that is a success, but unfortunately it has increased global insecurity .This action comes 80 years too late dear anonymous, you cannot right a wrong with another wrong even if two 'evil' regimes have been brought down.
Anyway that is not the subject of this post today , this subject was rehashed for so long it's becoming a cliche... Today we are angry and hurt for the innocent dead in Sharm, the brunt of which are Egyptians, and they are killed by terrorists who use the US as a scapegoat. If the US government honestly cares about the lives of non-americans, please show us by stopping to create fodder for the propaganda machines of the terrorists. ....*END of RANT*
okay that feels better ..I was angry and as SM pointed out Sharm is supposedly super-secure ...
anonymous 7:19 ..stop threatening , Muslim don't know the 'jihad minded' from the others if they did they would stop them ..it's not a label they were on their lapels , look at bombings in London, did the bombers look 'jihad minded' ? come on stop the threats you are only re-enforcing stereotypes of hatred, threatening to nuke pre-emptively all Muslims ? do you think that will change anything ?
Ok so your country has the power to do that and you will feel safe afterwards ...good . This kind of attitude will not 'whip' the ME or other predominantly muslim country into 'action' for your sake ...all humans are destined to die each , your country can pull the trigger. ...I'm rambling and getting away fron the subject I think ..Never mind ..those who care to understand will know what I mean ...I have no patience to teach today. We have been just as victimsized as you , except that we are triple so (1) by the US, (2)by the despotic governments and (3)by the terrorists...how cool is that .
This is just so sad, it bring tears into my eyes. Who are these sick-minded idiots who kill innocent Egyptians and tourists with no regard for human life? Please, SM and Karim, organize that peace march. Please do it. I know I would come if I were in Egypt. Please, just make it happen. God these attacks are so sad, but what makes me angry is that they have minimal coverage on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC tv channels. Why is it that when 52 Londoners died, it was (justifiably) 24/7 coverage. I definitely think that in an event with nearly double the death toll, similar, if not greater, coverage is in order. These are the things that perpetuate the notion that Americans value Western life over Eastern life. Please help me in sending emails to the various satellite news stations asking them to deliver more coverage to the events in Egypt. Also, many people fail to realize that so far the vast majority of the dead have been Egyptian, and I mean like 75-80 out of the 88-90 dead have been Egyptian. This is so sad. What can we do to get rid of the terrorists? I hope 7/23 joins the ranks of 7/7, 3/11, and 9/11 in a catastrophic event for mankind. We must do something. It doesn't help when some Israeli guy criticizes the Egyptian government for failing to provide security for this. You really can't. I did read that there were numerous security officers running to try and stop a car before it ran into the lobby of the Ghazala Garden Hotel yet it plowed through and blew up almost on delivery. How sad. How tragic. Terrorists deserve no sympathy. I hope Egyptians now turn against these vile pigs. Terrorists have done more damage to Egypt than Bush or Sharon ever will. If these terrorists end up being Saudi or Palestinian, Egypt really needs to confront those two nations. And I mean a serious confrontation.
You've got it right Sam, hunt them down and kill the bastards - every last one of them.
Joanne
Hello Sam, so sorry your country has been the target of this current barrage of terrorist attack.
Once again my heart breaks for the loss of precious life. And knowing that while they commit these mass murders, others defend them with their words, angers me further.
Anyone who says this is because of Iraq is simply a fool. These attacks now are designed to bring down the economy for that target country and that they are also killing the working class at each attack is not insignificant either, ie., WTC-business sector, Iraqi police/military and recruits, commuters going to work on trains in big cities, now the tourist industry of Egypt. The way they are trying to get control is by putting everyone else beneath them economically, socially and morally.
They also go for the 'shock value' by picking vulnerable ones for the vilest actions of their retarded plans, families at funerals, young people out for an evening, children in schools or children in the streets...
The perverted mind set that feeds this ideology needs to be eradicated-period.
We all have a stake in this, it's essential for our future that we be supportive of each other in many ways to counter this plague on civilization.
Condolences for the families and loved ones of those injured and killed.
My sympathy to all who have suffered loss of life and injury. I pray this madness will cease and that all people of good will, Muslim, Chritian, Jew, Hindu and others with or without a specific faith will come together to defeat those who destroy.
Muslim terrorists are persuaded by their leaders and certain Mullahs that if they die during an attack on the Infidel they will spend eternity in paradise with 72 virgins to tend to them, etc.. They believe this absolutely, hence it is difficult to define sanctions that would affect their decision to attack.
UNLESS we use another aspect of their religion against them. Muslims believe that pigs are unclean, and if they are tainted by pigs or substances associated with pigs, they can never attain paradise unless they are subsequently cleansed by religious rites; they will be cast into Hades for eternity.
So, we collect any body parts identifiable from the suicide attackers, sew them into pigskins, and bury them. And promise to do the same for all future attacks. Now potential attackers will have a problem. Their leaders will promise them paradise, but we will promise them eternal damnation. The human mind being what it is, I believe the potential negative aspect will then far outweigh the potential positive aspect of a suicide attack.
The bleeding hearts amongst us will howl that we can't do that, it's cruel and unusual punishment, on and on. I don't believe there would be any legal restrictions on such action, and although somewhat distasteful the procedure could prevent more WTC disasters or worse. If you can think of a more effective defense against suicide attacks, let's hear it.
Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan, when plagued by Muslim suicide attackers, used this response with total and immediate success.
Muslims do believe that pigs are unclean but your rites of burial really have very little to do with whether you go to heaven or hell. If terrorists cared about their rites of burial would they blow themselves up?What would be left for burial after that type of explosion?
Do suicide bombers usually get rites of burial anyway?
According to Wahabi teachings martyrs don't need to be clean for burial or to be buried like normal people. Infact it is recommended that they shoud be buried in their blood.
There's a lot more standing between these terrorists & heaven than pig's blood - namely mass murder & major hypocrisy & basic STUPIDITY.
I wish the solution to the problem were that simple but unfortunately I doubt that.
Targeting innocent victims is the most ugly thing that a human can do. I cannot forgive it no matter what the cause. Excuse one group for doing it over another because you agree with their political goals is disgusting.
Stefania,
I'm glad for your friend and you.
Highlander,
I agree with you that this is an occasion when emotions reign. It is natural to be angry and rage and say things like, "Nuke them all." It is not the time to make fundamental decisions, especially undertaking vengeance and slaughter. To succumb to the temptation is to adopt the psychology of a lynch mob.
In addition, at least some of the terrorists, including bin Laden, WANT exactly that kind of over-reaction. They want a crescendo of blows and counter-blows between Islam and the modern world in order to create the global jihad between civilizations that they seek.
(I disagree with some of your statements here and on your blog, principally some criticisms of the US.)
Michael in Framingham
we are all in between the men in powers agenda, we meaning the people of the countrys so called democracy are the one who are brained washed by the media always bias (paid off) chattin shit about war on terroism
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this is americas investment, n is the reason they suck da monckeys dick is because the saudi mockeys have a (all fact) 1 trillion US dollar of money in the US enconomy
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( ma own plan elimate the stooge till the men in power get da dame point, if not toucher da stooge by formin ur own coup to find the Men in power.
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