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Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Thursday, September 29, 2005

Karen Hughes vs. muslim women

Karen Hughes is not enjoying herself on her middle-east tour; she is metting discontent with muslim women in 2 countries, both of them are US allies. First Saudi, then Turkey. Bad news, no? Let's take a closer look, shall we? The Women of Saudi meetup: The Audience? The audience - 500 women covered in black at a Saudi university - seemed an ideal place for Karen P. Hughes, a senior Bush administration official charged with spreading the American message in the Muslim world, to make her pitch. An ideal place? Really? Ok! Who picked them and what segment of society do they represent? The group of women on Tuesday, picked by the university, represented the privileged elite of this Red Sea coastal city, known as one of the more liberal areas in the country. The Priviliged elite. Clearly the most oppressed of all saudi women, no? It even shows in their grievences: She seemed clearly taken aback as the women told her that just because they were not allowed to vote or drive that did not mean they were treated unfairly or imprisoned in their own homes. "We're not in any way barred from talking to the other sex," said Dr. Nada Jambi, a public health professor. "It's not an absolute wall." Not an absolute one, but a wall nonetheless! LOL And then there is the Michael Moore effect A woman in the audience then charged that under President Bush the United States had become "a right wing country" and that criticism by the press was "not allowed." LOL As for male chauvinism and that pesky question of women's rights? "There is more male chauvinism in my profession in Europe and America than in my country," said Dr. Siddiqa Kamal, an obstetrician and gynecologist who runs her own hospital. Yes, there is Chauvinism in the west, which makes the one we have at home Ok. "I don't want to drive a car," she said. "I worked hard for my medical degree. Why do I need a driver's license?" "Women have more than equal rights," added her daughter, Dr. Fouzia Pasha, also an obstetrician and gynecologist, asserting that men have obligations accompanying their rights, and that women can go to court to hold them accountable. Oh my God, this is too funny! I am laughing my ass off. Hehehehehehehee! Gotta say, Saudi men really know to how to "break-in" their women. For those of you who may disagree, I am sure those women could've spoken up against male domination and managed not to get beat up by their men at home. No? Well, enough of Saudi, on to Turkey, where things kept getting interesting for Karen, If interesting meant continuing to hear idiotic arguments: "You are very angry with Turkey, I know," said Hidayet Tuskal, a director of the Capital City Women's Platform, referring to what she characterized as United States reaction to opposition in Turkey to the Iraq war, which she said was a feminist issue because women and children were dying daily. "I'm feeling myself wounded," Ms. Tuskal added. "I'm feeling myself insulted here." Ok, does anyone get her point? She opposed the Iraq war because of women and children dying in it, and wasn't concerned with the women and children dying under Saddam? And it's a femenist issue? She feels wounded and insulted? What? Ohh, and please, american readers, let's take a survey: Every person who is "very angry" at Turkey for not supporting the US in the war raise your hands. Every person who couldn't give 2 shits about Turkey's support anyway-like the rest of the world- please refrain from laughing at her idiotic statement. And it just keeps getting better: Fatma Nevin Vargun, identifying herself as a Kurdish rights advocate, said she was "ashamed" of the war and added that the United States bore responsibility. Referring to the arrest of a war protester at the White House on Monday, she added, "This was a pity for us as well." She is a kurdish rights activist and opposed to the war that gave the Kurds their rights. Is anybody else getting this? Ahh, me loves the New York Times. It always gives me a good laugh!

12 Comments:

At 9/29/2005 01:43:00 AM, Blogger Highlander said...

SM , I actually have tons to comment on this one...but these days I simply do not have the time :( .. will solve this when I'm done at least you know I'm reading your blog ;)

 
At 9/29/2005 01:58:00 AM, Blogger Shamoussa said...

Oh God! How do these women think?? Do they?? I mean seriously the "Women have more than equal rights" , did she really mean that??

 
At 9/29/2005 02:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There is more male chauvinism in my profession in Europe and America than in my country," said Dr. Siddiqa Kamal, an obstetrician and gynecologist who runs her own hospital.

Of course there isn't. There are no male Gynecologist in Saudi to begin with. How can there be male chauvinism when there are no males?

 
At 9/29/2005 07:51:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's just too many idiotic statements by these educated women. Here's one:

She seemed clearly taken aback as the women told her that just because they were not allowed to vote or drive that did not mean they were treated unfairly or imprisoned in their own homes.
"We're not in any way barred from talking to the other sex," said Dr. Nada Jambi, a public health professor. "It's not an absolute wall."


Yup. That's.........a........PROFESSSOORRRRR.......!!!

I wonder what their definition of fairness and equality mean, no?

They need help. The whole lot of 'em. Sheeeesssshhh...


jonas976

 
At 9/29/2005 10:30:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm taking another view of this....what a shame that they don't even realize how bad they have it. They deserve our pity, IMHO! Even worse, maybe they really believe this? I mean if they had the right to do things and then chose not to that is very different than things not being allowed. Poor poor women held down by a boot on their throats and they compliment the choice of footwear.:(

 
At 9/29/2005 10:41:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

SAM u're the best man!!

 
At 9/29/2005 11:01:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Turkey must admit the Armenian Genocide before they can participate in any talks about Human Rights.

 
At 9/29/2005 11:08:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

#Women have more than equal rights

Hmmm... so it's the Saudi men who are subjugated, by the women? Or do they use the term "equal" differently in KSA than everyone else does?

Can somebody who knows actually quantify, specifically, what rights women in KSA have (compared to men), so we can examine this claim?

Never mind. Why bother.

 
At 9/29/2005 12:30:00 PM, Blogger Mike_Nargizian said...

It's like the abused child syndrome he/she always gravitates towards and is more affectionate in public to the abuser not the other parent.
What the f are these women going to say? lol...
That's why so many women are moving to Saudi Arabia eh?

What's so pathetic is how the PC New York Times and college kids buy this crap from PC elite and George Galloway who pose themselves as repping the Arab world's concerns from the big bad Imerialistic West trying to impose its 'values' and freedom on them....

When all people like Galloway shill for are Saddam and Assad... and the former Soviet Union.

 
At 9/29/2005 01:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

have any of ever been to either Saudi Arabia or Turkey? Just wondering.

 
At 9/30/2005 12:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yep, that Makkah school fire episode in 2002 was the perfect example of the saudi approach to equality and empowerment of women.

Neverthless as the quoted ones show and Islam denies, women are INDIVIDUALS therefore some, yep, some are dumber than others.

 
At 1/21/2006 01:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Saudi women (Graphic designer student)in the same college,and i attended Karen Hughes speech:
First,from where u heard about the reaction of the audience?from Media and if any1 of you is smart enough he or she will know that media is really good in convaying the message that you want to laugh about.So you better laugh on ur smartness.
Second,each country has its possitive and negative sides and we have our rights as women in a certain percentage like any other country in the world.(we're not saying that 100% of Saudi women have their rights)
Third,if you refferd to the statistics(In women abuse,etc.) in Saudi compared to the U.S for example you won't find that big differance,so (look who's talking)
Forth,(FOR YOUR INFORMATION)we've talked about many other subjects in women rights which are more important than women drive.(am not gonna waist mytime now to explain them again...)
Finally,an advice from an educated open minded Saudi women,who traveled all around the world and learned about so many cultures ......(Don't you ever talk about something you don't really have good background in it,you were only takin your info. from media and blah blah blah people......go and reseach,come and visit and look at our civilization with your eyes not others eyes..........ah thats if u r from the smart part

 

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