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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Sunday, October 23, 2005

Lord have Mercy

According to Sout El Ouma newspaper, the following churches were also attacked alongside the Mary Gerges one: Ibn Zahroun Church in Ghourbal El Anba Teckla church in Al-Ebrahemia Gheit El Enab church in Karmouz Also reported the destruction of 4 cars owned by christians (they set them on fire alongside the police cars) , a couple of stores owned by christians attacked and one liqiour store set on fire. One of the only 2 christian NDP candidates and one running in Alexandria, whose rival happens to be from the MB, has just withdrawn his candidacy in protest to what's going. The Coptic candidate of the ruling National Democratic Party in Alexandria, Maher Khella, was in a fiery mood insisting that the play at issue did not convey an anti-Islamic message. "The demonstrators burned copies of the Gospel yesterday. This is unacceptable and right now we cannot even accept excuses," he told AFP. "I have presented a request to my party demanding my candidacy in the elections be withdrawn in an attempt to defuse the tension," added Khella, one of only two Copts on the ruling party's list of 444 candidates for next month's polls. He also said what I have been saying for a week: this is nothing but a ploy by the MB candidates to ensure winning the parliamentarian seats in alexandria districts. But political leaders and security officials said Islamic extremists distributed the DVDs in an effort to tarnish a Coptic Christian candidate running in next month's parliamentary elections for Alexandria's impoverished Ghorbal constituency. Maher Khalah, one of two Copts running on the ruling National Democratic Party ticket in this mainly Sunni Muslim country, announced Saturday that he was withdrawing from the race to prevent any recurrence of the violence. "This violence is not about the DVD, it is all about the elections," Khalah told The Associated Press. But don't worry kids. Pope Shenouda and Sheikh Tantawi are going to save the day. In a joint statement, the head of the Coptic Orthodox Church, Pope Shenouda III, and Egypt's highest Islamic authority, Grand Sheik of al-Azhar Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi, urged Christians and Muslims not to resort to violence. "We call on everyone to be calm so we can spread the grace of peace, security and affection among us," the religious leaders said. "If something happened and was misunderstood, then it is our duty to deal with it in the spirit of dialogue and understanding." And you know how much credibility and influence Sheikh Tantawi has on Egypt's population. When that guy says something, muslims all over egypt listen tentavly and then immedietly continue to ignore him. It's a good thing that the police is protecting the churches in Alexandria now. I just hope this shit doesn't reach Cairo or other places in Egypt. The MB could quickly spin the whole thing as the government being against Islam and doesn't care about muslims and their sentiments, and inflame other areas as well for their own goals and purposes. And judging by how fast this situation in Alex escelated, it wouldn't be too hard for them to do it. Sigh.. I am officially depressed. No more blogging today.


At 10/23/2005 06:18:00 AM, Anonymous Peter-Australia said...

So doing anything to the Koran is bad but burning the Gospel, which is the word of God (remember people we believe in the same God) is good?

Sounds like the MB is getting exactly what they want. Christians withdrawing from the elections and spreading hate and fear among the population. Hitler would be proud. Swap Islamic fundamentalist gangs for Nazi mobs and I don't think the picture would change much.

At 10/23/2005 07:16:00 AM, Blogger Fayrouz said...

This is really depressing.

Thank you for your daily updates. I've been following the situation by reading your daily posts.

At 10/23/2005 08:32:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really hate to say this, but when they have these mobs that go off and start burning stuff, police should not use rubber bullets, they should use real ones. and not stop shooting until the entire mob is dead save for one or two that can go back and tell their friends how bad it was.
Peaceful protest is one thing, destructive mobs serve no purpose ina civilized society

At 10/23/2005 09:10:00 AM, Blogger J C said...

To stop this kind of criminality, at least one thing must be understood. This term:
"Islamic extremists" must be understood to mean, "All Islamists," because all Islamists are extremists and rely on death and destruction to increase.

And we need to become honest in our evaluations, such as:

"In a joint statement, the head of the Coptic Orthodox Church, Pope Shenouda III, and Egypt's highest Islamic authority, Grand Sheik of al-Azhar Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi, urged Christians and Muslims not to resort to violence."

How much violence can be honestly attributed to Christians, except in self defense? It's a fact; No Islamist leader honestly rejects violence as a means of furthering Moslem world domination.

Good post.

At 10/23/2005 09:47:00 AM, Blogger Mike_Nargizian said...

The fact that the MB was able to do this and it worse than you thought and you fear it could become even worse elsewhere says something about the population of Egypt and what they've been inculcated with.

Again, the zeitgeist there is the problem..... and I repeat if 1 mosque was damaged and attacked the way the Xtian church in Alexandria was Al Jazeera, every Imam in the Middle East, Abu Dhabi every Imam in Europe and the US and every "Islamic Civil Rights Group" would be headlining it for weeks and weeks!!

I wonder how heavily Al Jazeera has written about this in Egypt?

At 10/23/2005 09:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The candidate should not have given in then & withdrew his application as this gives a negative signal & will evetnaully spark similair incidents whenever there is a coptic candidate.
& yes, i think the police should have fired on a few of those louts, they really wanted to harm police individuals who were merely standing not provoking anything.

At 10/23/2005 09:58:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the Egyptian government block access to the site Faith Freedom? On this site, Ali Sina pointed to a Muslim site called the Islamic Research Foundation run by a Dr. Zakir Naik. This Dr. Naik says that every Muslim should be a terrorist.

Here is the direct link to Dr. Zakir Naik's paper.


Here is Ali Sina's comment on what Dr. Naik said.

If anything good comes out of all this madness in Egypt, I hope that clear thinking Muslims with a strong conscience will begin to question their faith and challenge mohammed's teachings.


At 10/23/2005 12:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

""The demonstrators burned copies of the Gospel yesterday. This is unacceptable and right now we cannot even accept excuses," he told AFP."

I wonder why I don't see fanatic Christians beating up all the non-Christians that they can encounter on the street. Could it be because of ... tolerance?

At 10/23/2005 03:59:00 PM, Anonymous PE said...

Sandmonkey, are you going to Karim's rally?

At 10/23/2005 04:55:00 PM, Blogger Mike_Nargizian said...

I don't want to beat a dead horse adn I'm sure you don't like reading some of the comments preaching to you here about Islam.

However, I'm driving home from watching the game and I'm thinking about this, your posts and then it hit me....

9-11 was committed by Arab Islamic terrorists who declared Jihad. An Arab leader who is beloved now by millions of Arabs, Osama Ben Laden releases video tapes and bragging about murdering thousand of infidel Americans. Arabs across the Middle East (some Europeans too though) are cheering and celebrating passing out candy.

Imams across the Middle East do not even harshly condemn the action or the terrorists and blame it on everyone else anyway. Not for months did an Imam condemn the action.

Arab and Pakistani men in my own freekin small town are heard by people I KNOW WELL laughing and stating that next time America is going to get it worse.

US a country of over 300 million people. There were scattered if less than 20 incidences of attacks. Police protection and full prosecution of anyone who was found to attack someone.

There was 1 or 2 murders by 1 or 2 morons, one where a Sikh was shot mistaken as a Muslim.

The President embraces Islam as a religion of peace, suddenly an Imam appears at functions at the White House, other political leaders reach out to Muslims.

CAIR, a Sauid funded Wahabist "Islamic Civil Rights" organization slams every and any one that even thinks of making a movie where Arabs or Muslims are portrayed as anything resembling a bad guy.

Arnold's movie is remade post 9-11 to cast Russians as bad guys.

Imams in NYC reject Rabbis who reach out to them to make a joint statement condemning terrorism and preaching unity of the peoples. Their Saudi paymasters won't let them do it.

Oppressed Cooptic Egytian Christians make a play/video about a Xtian youth who is coerced into converting to Islam and then wants to go back to becoming a Christian.
The play is released 2 years ago and stopped by a frightened and smart (for good reason) Church.

The Imams in Mosques of the MB find out about this video and rile up the crowds. A Church is surrounded by mobs who enter and trash and beat the shit out of everyone inside.

Still not satisfied further attacks occur on other Churches from Muslim men coming out of Mosques, one in which a Nun is stabbed several times and in the face.


Al Jazeera, CNN, Western PC Liberals, Western PC Newspapers, every Arab satellite station declared how "scary" it was for Arabs and Muslims in the US which was becoming a "racist" place for Arabs. Young Arab and Palesinians go on Russel Simmon Def Poetry and write poems that talk about the US's crimes and racism and their anger at the horrible US.

Other than a few articles in Arabic and limited Western Press there is virtually nothing about the past, ongoing and continuing persecution of Coopts in Egypt.
There is no outcry even from the Catholic or Orthodox Church.

And whenever CAIR or the Arab press can find something else to show us "how persecuted Muslims and Arabs are" the trumpets will be blaring again and Katie Couric and all of the PC morons at Huffington and CNN and the BBC and CBC will again be blasting the only message they know how to.....
the colonialist, oppressive, racist West and especially the US.

The place where any sane and good person wants to move from everywhere in the world, especially the Middle East.

At 11/01/2005 12:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an important story, and one that needs to be told all opver the world. Sadly, things are going to get much worse. I have mentioned this page in a Forum posting with Australian Muslims, who evidently think they are being persecuted. Here is the link:

Signed, Kactuz


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