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Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Tuesday, November 29, 2005

Conversations: The Infidel Republic of Iran

( The following conversation happend 2 days ago between me and my MB leaning friend H.) Me: You ever hear of the “Koran-aen”? H: No, who are they? Me: They are a group of Muslims who say that they only follow the Koran and what it has to say, and refuse to follow anything else, including the hadiths. They claim that Hadiths authenticity can not be trusted or verified and therefore they don’t follow and reject anything in Islamic lore that deals with or comes from them. For them being a Muslim is about following the Koran and nothing else. H: Oh, so they are a bunch of Kafarah (Infidels)? Me: What do you mean Infidels? They follow the Koran and believe in god and the prophet. Why are they infidels? H: Because the Hadiths are part of the Sunnah. Hell, the Sunnah is entirely built on Hadiths. And the Prophet himself said that the Sunnah is Islam and whomever doesn’t follow it is a Kafir. Me: It's reported that he said that in a hadith, right? H: Yes. What’s your point? Me: Nevermind. Now, according to what you are saying, anyone who doesn’t follow the Sunnah is an infidel. Is that correct? H: Yes. That’s correct. Me: Does that mean that all the Shia in the world are infidels? H: I didn’t say that. Me: But they are Shia, which means that they don’t follow and down-right reject a big chunk of the Sunnah. We can chose to do so and not be infidels? We are allowed to pick and chose which part of the Sunnah we like to follow? H: No. We are not. Whomever rejects the Sunnah or a part of it is an infidel. Me: So you are saying that the Shia are infidels? H: I am saying that by rejecting the sunnah or parts of it they are infidels, yes. Me: Wow. You do realize that you have just called the majority of Iraq and the entire country of Iran Infidels? H: Oh lord. See, that’s why I don’t like talking to you about stuff like that. Me: You are not backing down, are you? You still maintain that they are infidels, right? H: No, I am not backing down. Yes, by being Shia they are infidels. Me: Nice. Now, do you think the egyptian muslim population would still support them and hail them as the model of the modern Islamic state if they figured out that they are infidels? H: Well, Yeah! Me: How so? H: They want Israel destroyed, don’t they? Me: Touche man! LOL..Tou-che!


At 11/29/2005 06:58:00 AM, Anonymous Andrew Brehm said...

Does your friend know what the Qur'an says about Jews and Israel?

At 11/29/2005 07:19:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

What doe the koran say about how to deal with infidels? Is it possible to ignore that someone is an infidel and just go about your own life?

As an infidel, I sure hope so.

At 11/29/2005 08:34:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandmonkey, teaching critical thinking to the country one person at a time.

At 11/29/2005 09:16:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...


but the Shias do include some of the Hadith in their jurisprudence I think.

At 11/29/2005 09:46:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

I liked this part best:

"H: Because the Hadiths are part of the Sunnah. Hell, the Sunnah is entirely built on Hadiths. And the Prophet himself said that the Sunnah is Islam and whomever doesn’t follow it is a Kafir."

"Me: It's reported that he said that in a hadith, right?"

But I probably shouldn't comment since I don't know what I'm talking about. I just thought it was funny :)

At 11/29/2005 11:34:00 AM, Anonymous J.Doe said...

I thought the Koran said that Christians and Jews were 'people of the book', and are entitled to some respect.

At 11/29/2005 01:55:00 PM, Anonymous Jordan from Left Canada said...

It is so sad that Arab/Islamic nationalism is solely based on the destruction of Israel.

It is so sad that in my country, being a "Canadian" means that you are NOT an "American"

It is so sad that Jewish nationalism is solely based on pride that you haven't been blown up yet. :)

At 11/29/2005 02:55:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

A perhaps interesting and unrelated aside. The Ethiopian Jews supposedly descended from Tribes that were scattered when the Assyrians conquered Northern Israel, Samaria in 5 or 600 BC... dont' know anything of Channukah which celebrates ridding the Greeks 300 years later or anything from the Talmud which is supposedly written text on the oral traditions of the religion.

I don't know how much later the Hadith was written and nobody knows for sure when exactly the First or Second Bible was actually written, though I know Muslims believe the Koran was written 'exactly' as Allah told it to Mohammed and written during his lifetime. Historians are much sketchier on this though.

Regarding your friend -
Of course in my world he's a jackass.

At 11/29/2005 05:39:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

all i can say is... You gotta love morons...


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