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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Friday, June 10, 2005

Peace with Israel = Obscene Gay SEX!

I am starting to fall in love with the MEMRI TV wesbite, because it always gets me very interesting bits of TV programming that i miss due to the fact that i almost never watch TV anymore. Prime example is this bit right here, where Pro-Peace with Israel egyptian Playright Ali Salem faces off with Anti-Peace writers Abdel Halim Qandil and Ahmad Ali, who compares normalization of relationships with Israel to Obscene Gay Sex. Ohh yeah! Host: Two weeks ago you surprised us by going to Tel Aviv. Why? What change has occurred? Salem: No. I went to Be'er-Sheva, to Ben-Gurion University, to attend a conference on the new media and public opinion in the Middle East. When I got the invitation I immediately accepted it, because the political circumstances have changed, and there is now a possibility and a strong chance to achieve peace, and to restore the Palestinians' rights, so I went. The peace movement and the liberal trend in Egypt disagree with the socialist approach to economy. The liberals believe that the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty is a real treaty. They believe cooperation with Israel is inevitable in economy or any other field, for the benefit of the Palestinians. ( Personal side note: Ali Salem is now forbidden to travel to Israel by the orders of the Egyptian government for no reason at all. Moving on) Ahmad Ali: What do you achieve by going there? Salem: We prove to the Israelis that not all Egyptian intellectuals are against them, or oppose their presence in the area. Just as Israeli intellectuals established the Peace Now movement, we have our own. Ahmad Ali: Do you have to use heroin in order to know it's harmful? Do you have to engage in homosexual acts to know it's obscene? Do you put your hand in the fire? I'm not saying that. Mr. 'Ali Salem, your role is one known in history as "laundering" the reputation of the occupation. This is your role. LOL Now, that was funny, but what was truly great was the rant that the socialist Nasserites Qandil and Ahmad went on about "National Dignity" and how Peace with Israel is an affront to that! Host: Does going to Israel contradict national dignity? Ahmad Ali: Of course it does. What do I mean by "national dignity"? If I, or anyone, were to say to you: "I will give you a billion or a million Egyptian pounds and you will let me sleep with you sister, your mom, or dad." This is where profits and laws are not the criteria. It is your sense of dignity. So people who go to Israel are the equivelant of whores and pimps? Hmmm... Ahmad, you are good kid, you are very good, but as long as Qandil is around, you will always be second best! Qandil: Those who signed the Camp David agreement, without the people's consent - and I demand to hold a referendum about all these agreements, including the Qiz – and those who signed the Qiz agreement can simply piss on it and drink their own urine because the Egyptian people will never recognize the existence… actually I mean the legitimacy of the Israeli entity, and will never recognize the legitimacy of those who do, since, in my opinion, the so-called " supporters of normalization" are in fact "Arab Zionists." Oh really? So, The people, the average egyptian workers, are against the QIZ agreement? So i am guessing they would be staging protests to get their factories out of the QIZ areas, right? WRONG! Indeed, workers in the industrial towns of Ismailiya and Mahalla Kobra staged set-ins and protests after they learned that they were not included in the agreement. "People do not understand that if we do not have a QIZ here, me and my co-workers will be kicked out of the factory. We should stop being over sentimental about Israel and see what is good for us," said Mohammed Al Assal, a 43-year-old textile worker. "Egyptians should know that each worker supports a family of at least five members and having no QIZ means making thousands of families penniless in no time," he stressed. Oh, so i am guessing those textile workers should be considerd "arab zionists" as well? Aren't you a socialist Mr. Qandil? Shouldn't you be more interested in the welfare of the workers and the people then hollow nasserite slogans and concepts? Just wondering! I love Nasserite socialists for their complete lack of logic and perspective, because - like their Idol, who never won us a War, opressed our people and bankrupted our country-they talk a lot of shit WITHOUT BACKING IT UP. As I said before here, that kind of stupid rhetoric has got to go if we ever hope to advance and live in peace! Thankfully Ali Salem was there as the voice of Reason. Salem: The state of Israel exists. I think our treaty with it is one of the most noble agreements any Egyptian leader has ever signed. You tell them Ali. You tell them!

14 Comments:

At 6/09/2005 11:55:00 PM, Blogger Highlander said...

yabni bil raha ...I can't catch up !

 
At 6/10/2005 12:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear SM,

This is a great mail. It shows the hypocracy of those people whose only goal is to take us back to the shit days of Nasser. As an Egyptian, I believe the peace treaty was a very good step by Sadat in the right direction. Peace and economic advance is more important than nonesense rhetoric.

 
At 6/10/2005 05:30:00 AM, Blogger ألِف said...

I wouldn't have compared protesting textile-workers with prostitutes because I have nothing against prostitutes to consider their status insulting. But beggers are bad!

Why is it that only us Egyptians justify our subjugation with the pretence of "having to raise our children"!

Textile industry, like many others, has been living in "atta ma7loola" for ages; that is they wasted their opportunity to master their trade and stand on their own; that they have become addictively dependant on government protection and treaties/quotas. They are a weak creature petitioning Darwin.

I'm not a "Nasserite". I care for the welfare of Egyptians, I being one; but I don't find the existence of the state of Israel legitimate.

(Liberal NOT EQUAL pro_Israel) AND (Liberal NOT EQUAL sheepishly_peaceful);

The mess we're currently in is due to our own lameness. This doesn't mean that refusing Qiz is refusing the right thing. We don't have to always be receptors or otherwise be marked as renegades!

We must perceive the peace treaty as a tactical step, not as an ultimate solution and as a [yet another] undisputable belief. At the same time we must work on changing the balance to our favour.

Look around you, the world hasn't always been like this; as soon as the US has become confident of its ability to act effectively, it began to change reality, manipulating the rules to its favour along the way; and that's only the past decade.

That is my [brief] opinion :-)

 
At 6/10/2005 06:45:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

yabni di nas ta3bana fidmakhhum. I never got why people with ideals that are way off dont at least try to present it intelectually. Have they never really realized they're being rediculed? Never read an opinion page or even a blog like this? They have no idea? And if so why do you even find them worth your time.

And how the hell does it take you so long to check your mail monkey :)

 
At 6/10/2005 07:13:00 AM, Blogger Orientalism said...

SM, i tagged you with a book meme, so respond if you have time

 
At 6/10/2005 08:54:00 AM, Anonymous AGA said...

Ali Salem is a giant. While his words may directly pertain to the ME, the principles are pertinent everywhere.

 
At 6/10/2005 09:03:00 AM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

Ali Salem is now forbidden to travel to Israel by the orders of the Egyptian government for no reason at all.

There is a great divide between the European and American concepts of personal freedoms that Egyptians should be made aware of. In America, our Constitution says the rights of government are dictated by the people. In the proposed European constitution, the extent of people's freedoms is decided by the government.

The upshot is that in Europe, a bureaucrat could (ultimately) exert arbitrary power to deny a travel permit. In America, an official would have to back up such a denial with reasons that could stand up in court. (Yes, European countries are democracies, but that just means, at most, people get to choose those who appoint the bureaucrats.)

Thus Europeans are concerned more with exactly who gets to exert power, whereas Americans are more concerned with the principles that govern the application of power. We saw that in the runup to the War Against Saddam; the French claimed it was illegal because they opposed it, the Americans claimed it was legal because the agreed-upon principles had been followed.

Follow the principles behind the European consitution and Egyptians will remain subjects. Follow the principles behind the U.S. Constitution and Egyptians will become citizens.

 
At 6/10/2005 10:30:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Solomon 2, teh US and Europe are fundamentally different societies. Europe has "democratic socialism" for the most part... socialist and even "socialism lite" systems subjugate the needs of the individual to the needs of the society as a whole. This is *by definition* the way socialism works.

The US, on the other hand, places the empowerment of the individual first, above everything else. The American belief is that prosperous and happy societies result from prosperous and happy citizens.

I am sure that our way (the American one) is the correct one, and I think history and the currect state of world affairs prove it. I don't know what sane person can claim any other nation on earth has experienced teh same sort of success the United States has.

However, it seems nobody wants to be like the US. Everyone wants to be like Europe. Or like the old Soviet Union, even. And that's OK. Just don't blame it on America when you don't get American style results with your un-American methods :)

 
At 6/10/2005 10:20:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the hell did the comments change from Egypt to the EU.

The only advantage the people gain when they live in a democratic country is the ability to vote people out of office. We all share the "fucker" concept. If you live in Egypt or Alabama it would be safe to bet your house that the majority of "politicians" are fuckers.

-Mike

 
At 6/10/2005 11:36:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

The point is, Anonymous, that in a properly set up society, the people don't work for "the fuckers" - instead, "the fuckers" work for the people.

That the whole "fucking" difference between socialism and REAL democracy, right there.

 
At 6/11/2005 08:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ali Salem is a truly great person, and incredibly brave. There was another brave person from Bangladesh - Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, who was arrested while boarding a plane to speak at a writers conference in Israel. I believe he is currently out on bail but was in jail for for almost 2 years.
http://www.freechoudhury.com/

 
At 6/14/2005 04:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not seeing what makes Nasserite socialists different than other socialists. They talk a big talk about good stuff, but they're angry haters under the surface.

If they weren't envious, they probably wouldn't be socialists...

 
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