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Thursday, January 05, 2006

This is how conservative egyptians are

An egyptian movie that shows a man and a veiled woman making out on a bus is causing all kinds of contreversy. The scene from an independent film about sex and double standards in Egypt shows little nudity but provokes gasps of surprise from an audience in this largely conservative country. Director Ahmed Khaled's 14-minute film, the Fifth Pound, follows the weekly bus journey of a young man and woman who dodge the suspicious glances of other passengers and exploit the unused back seats to indulge in physical intimacy. Cairo has a long-established film industry and is traditionally regarded as the center of Arab artistic production but themes linking sex and religion remain largely untouched by film makers in the Islamic nation. In Khaled's film, verses from the Koran, the Islamic holy book, play in the bus as the driver smokes and steals glances in his rear-view mirror of the young man and the woman, who wears an Islamic headscarf. Khaled says most venues in Egypt, the Arab world's most populous nation, have refused to show his film because its subject matter could draw criticism in a country where the veil is seen by many as the height of female respectability. But many young Egyptians say the setting is entirely realistic. They say use of public buses as a setting for romantic encounters is so common the air-conditioned vehicles favored by couples have earned the nickname "mobile beds." The messed up thing is that Bus thing? It's entirely true. This is where young people go to make out or have oral sex. Hell, a female friend of mine used to tell me horror stories of sitting there and and then have someone sitting behind her try to put his erect penis in the gap between her chair and the chair next to her. You know, just in case she might be interested in giving him a handjob. Hell, stories of men exposing themselves or masturbating on public busses are very common nowadays. It's freaky. As for the veiled thing, i don;t find it that contreversial. After all, in egypt we now have veiled prostitutes. You can tell them from regular veiled women by the fact that they walk around carrying a pair of panties in a plastic see-through bag in their hands. It's their signal to tell you that she is "ready to go" so to speak. The day they have that in a movie, that's when I will be impressed.

21 Comments:

At 1/05/2006 01:50:00 PM, Anonymous Lee Banon (forever) said...

"The messed up thing is that Bus thing? It's entirely true. This is where young people go to make out or have oral sex. Hell, a female friend of mine used to tell me horror stories of sitting there and and then have someone sitting behind her try to put his erect penis in the gap between her chair and the chair next to her. You know, just in case she might be interested in giving him a handjob. Hell, stories of men exposing themselves or masturbating on public busses are very common nowadays. It's freaky."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is so funny!

 
At 1/05/2006 02:06:00 PM, Blogger The Sphinx said...

HA! That'll hit this society like a hurricane for sure. In the past I'd have never imagined that the people here would be so corrupt. Now that I've encountered and heard of seriously weird stuff I know better..

 
At 1/05/2006 04:14:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

Well I have a million horror stories on that one.. God knows how many times me and my girls got into a taxi and he whipped it out and wanted us to blow him..ewwww nasty old perverts and some of the men even had galbays on (man dress!). ewww

Now for the part that has be laughing my ass off..."veil is seen by many as the height of female respectability"
Id say about 90% of Arabic girls, well I wont generalize.. About 90% of Egyptian girls wear the damn thing just to get out of their houses so they can go whoring around. And come one have you seen the skin tight jeans and the scarf they seem to go hand in hand in Egypt now a days.. So please me has no respect for the scarf.. I like the bitches to show their true colors and admit to what they do. Well not to their families I dont want that to be slaugterd. Well my point is I dont really know why its so respected in Egypt when it seems the veiled ones are worse than the not veiled ones.

So scarfed girls dont kiss? Yeah right!!!

 
At 1/05/2006 06:01:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

"Id say about 90% of Arabic girls, well I wont generalize.. About 90% of Egyptian girls wear the damn thing just to get out of their houses so they can go whoring around."

so you are not generalizing when you say 90%. You are very wrong and you speak out of filth and craziness.

I will not stoop down to your level because you seem to know too much about the Whoring business.

 
At 1/05/2006 07:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hahaha twosret. you're so cool.

 
At 1/05/2006 10:21:00 PM, Blogger Caroline said...

Wow… I am shocked about the stories SM and others wrote about, that’s horrendous and scary. Not so much about the making out in buses or the relevance of the hijab in the matter but mostly about male exhibitionism and sexual harassment reported by SM and Yasmine. It makes me wonder about the statistics on rape and sexual assaults in Egypt (but how valid would those be, knowing that women are unlikely to report such incidents in Egypt) I personally have never heard of these stories before and I guess I am fortunate to say I have never experienced or observed such perversion in my visits to Egypt. But I guess now I understand why some of my relatives in Egypt are so fearful and paranoid of almost everyone they don’t know. That sucks though!

I have a comment about the hijab too, in my opinion, wearing a hijab is a personal matter... regardless of what the reasons for wearing it maybe. A hijab or a big cross on your chest or any other forms of symbolism, doesn’t and shouldn’t say much about the person or be viewed as symbolism for virtue, you gotta look deeper than outward appearance. Unfortunately other people don't see it that way, especially when it comes to the hijab... not only is it regarded as virtuous but the women who chose not to wear it are beginning to be stigmatized as lacking that virtue. Stories like the ones being reported should shed light on the fact that its not what you wear that makes you decent… after all, we should all “know not to judge a book by its cover”, right? Yep!

 
At 1/06/2006 08:31:00 AM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

"it makes me wonder about the statistics on rape and sexual assaults in Egypt"

Well most men get away with rape there so I doubt there will ever be statistics.(lets not forget its always the girls fault)

If I do know a lot about whoring around, I had to learn it from somewhere? And I was surrounded by lots of em.. Anyway I did make a negative comment about most Egyptian girls, so what?.. Not like they think American girls are good or anything.

I just don't see the scarf or hijab thing as a religious thing anymore. I speak from what I know and see. I have 24 female cousins all wear the scarf but me and two others. I don't see them praying or anything else that goes with the scarf. Along with the wearing the scarf comes a whole other bunch of responsibilities of wearing it. Example dressing properly and praying. All of them go hand in hand. Its boils down to "practice what you preach" and these girls don't. I was being highly sarcastic in the comment due to a lot of crap but I'm not sorry for it.

Ok and last thing..
Being that I did say I won't generalize and I did generalize, means that it was SARCASIM!!

 
At 1/06/2006 11:04:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

twosret, 90% or 80%, she has a valid point. & you dont need to stoop lower than you already are.
:-))

 
At 1/06/2006 03:33:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

That's what happens when a trivial, hypocritical, shallow and vane thing like Amr Khaled becomes the country's moral guru, all superficial stuff offering nothing's that can genuinly make you a better human being.

 
At 1/06/2006 03:57:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

Wow these things really happen in Egypt and he is wrong for showing it? I'm proud that there is someone that wanted to put it in a movie. Please explain how someone is shallow for telling it how it is. The Quran is playing for a reason. Because it really happens!You mean to tell me no muslim commits such and act if the Quran is playing? Muslims are human too incase you may have forgotten. They do things they have feelings so why not portray the truth? Why?

 
At 1/06/2006 04:41:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Ysmina or Jess or whatever, the director's name is Ahmed Khaled and I've never heard about him before today to criticize him.
The one I'm talking about is the infinitely annoying tv preacher Amr Khaled, so please next time before you go on your ranting binge, seek a treatment for your obvious dyslexia (and I mean the reading disorder, in case you confused it this time with anoerexia the eating one).

 
At 1/06/2006 05:01:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

I suffer from that so what, for that bows out like a lady and apologize.. I am human you know. Guess Im on a ranting binge. Guess thats what happens for being stuck home.. At least I can admit it when Im wrong..

Thanks for the insults! highlight of my obviously boring day...Do you feel better now?

 
At 1/06/2006 05:21:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Yasmina or Jess,
Actually I don't feel better, you were super effective in giving me a mega sense of guilt, I didn't mean to insult you or make your day by any means suckier than it obviously is, how the hell would I know that you're actually dyslexic, anyway, I sincerely apologize.

 
At 1/06/2006 05:26:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

dont be sorry!! I take no offence to anything ever..Dont feel guilty..I shouldnt have went off on you untill I fully understood what you wrote. Besides I hate people that do that and I did it.. No hard feelings.. Smile it makes life better sometimes :)

 
At 1/07/2006 05:07:00 AM, Blogger The Sphinx said...

There is one question I have for you Mohamed:

You said: "That's what happens when a (..) hypocritical (..) thing like Amr Khaled becomes the country's moral guru, all superficial stuff"

and "the infinitely annoying tv preacher Amr Khaled"

Ok, you obviously don't like the guy. You don't have to marry him, so that's fine.. But tell me: Infinitely annoying.. Is it because of his high-pitched voice? Or what? You need to explain this further.

Hypocritical, now this needs some explaining. In WHAT way is that guy a hypocrite? Did you ever hear about him preaching in a show then going to a party to get drunk? Was he ever caught in some kind of scandal? Give me at least one good argument why Amr Khaled himself is a hypocrite. And I will only accept a rational, logical and constructive argument.

Trivial and shallow? Maybe his teachings aren't as deep as the one's of the late Sheikh el Sha3rawy, but does that necessarily mean he sucks??

If you don't agree with his teachings, that does NOT mean you're absolutely right and he's wrong in every way, but that you both share different points of view. But seeing that only you are right is - sorry to say - naive. I think you're just allergic to preachers and like to bash them just for the hell of it. That's the only logical explanation I can find for your statements.

Waiting for your answer.

 
At 1/07/2006 01:40:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Sphinx, what this guy Amr Khaled almost always focuses on are mainly the superficialities of the religion, with no substance whatsoever that can make a better person, that if you'r one his impressionable followers, you'd be covering your hair, ar act piously, and live with a fictitious facade viewed and admired as a seemingly religious person in the society, while on the inside you might as well be a nymphomaniac or a sex addict, giving your mom hell because she's not covering her hair, have no problem whatsoever with cheating at school, slacking at work, your carefully hidden view of most of your friends is one of envy and jealousy and judgment, although you carefully mask it with the fake politness and the cheesy smile, have no respect for science or any work ethic, and brag that you don't have any copts as friends, in the end, you become a superficial miserable hypocrite.
And yes, his high pitched voice annoys me like hell, and please don't get started on Shaarawy.

 
At 1/07/2006 03:02:00 PM, Blogger The Sphinx said...

Just a second here.. Are you seriously trying to convince me that Amr Khaled is preaching people to look nice, and act all sweet and pious, but be evil people from inside and loath everyone???

1. That makes no sense.
2. You probably only watched only one of his shows and are judging him because of that.
3. What you said about his followers isn't what always applies.
4. As a matter of fact, you're exaggerating it like hell.
5. The follower you're taking as a model here was definitely a f***ed up person in the first place and that has absolutely nothing to do with Amr Khaled himself. You're talking about an extremely hypocritical follower, not a hypocritical preacher, though I asked you to clarify in a rational way why the preacher is a hypocrite and you have failed to do so.
6. He didn't get to choose his genes so don't ridicule him for his voice, Mr. DaVinci's-Perfect-Human.


I am not convinced.

 
At 1/07/2006 04:01:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Sphinx, maybe you're right that my distaste for that fellow is irrational but I can't help it, but you're also wrong because I've watched 2 of his shows, and both of them were almost identical, both times he stopped short of degrading any woman who doesn't cover her hair into some type of whoredom, regardless of what kind of person she might be, and honestly that was enough for me. What I'm saying is, that's he's a contributor in creating a myopic society.

 
At 1/08/2006 02:27:00 AM, Blogger The Sphinx said...

Well, I haven't observed that degradation yet, but I also haven't seen all his shows, so..

Good point though

 
At 1/08/2006 06:03:00 AM, Blogger Melanie said...

Back in the mid 1980's I was living in Haifa, Israel with one of my best friends and she worked for the Rape Crisis Centre. They had just done a massive advertising campaign in Arabic calling for Rape victims to come forward and the centre was inundated with hundreds of calls. Not one of them wanted to report the crime but rather to find out how to hide the fact that they were raped. They feared being killed or imprisoned by their families(many were locked up in their rooms for years by the father). Most were virgins and wanted to know if they could reverse the physical damage so no-one would know.

 
At 1/08/2006 06:16:00 AM, Blogger The Sphinx said...

That's pretty f'd up isn't it.. First you go through the not-so-nice process of getting raped, then your family kills you or locks you up because you dared to get raped.

Splendid..

 

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