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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006


Ok, can someone explain to me how the Chairman of CAIR gets elected to the Florida board of the ACLU? CAIR is not pro-civil liberties, and the ACLU's objectives are their total ideological opposite. CAIR is not pro-Freedom of religion, CAIR is not pro- Freedom of speech, and CAIR is definitely not pro-gay rights. So, how does this work exactly? I mean, I knew that the ACLU was run by retards, but, like, damn!


At 3/15/2006 05:28:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

It is to change the image of CAIR, a powerful organisation with terrorist ties. If you cant see your enemy, then you cant fight. This is simply a disguise for CAIR to appear as a tolerant organisation.

At 3/15/2006 05:57:00 AM, Blogger Cosmic Duck said...

Forget all the acronyms. On my homepage you can see the Danish attorney general's ruling on the Jyllandsposten blasphemy case. The paper will not be prosecuted for violating the Danish penal code.

At 3/15/2006 05:59:00 AM, Blogger Louise said...

Cosmic duck, that's good news.

Sandmonkey, it's the same principle as putting members of the old "dictators 'r' us" crowd in charge of the UN's human rights portfolio. Could mean the end of ACLU.

At 3/15/2006 06:02:00 AM, Anonymous Alb Sayed said...

CAIR is not a civil rights organization?

If you view civil liberties as support of "free enterprise, freedom of religion and freedom of expression." (from their core principles) And if you agree with their mission statement:

"CAIR's mission is to enhance understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding."

Then, it would classified as a civil liberties organization that has worked with the ACLU a number of times. But if you believe Daniel Pipes and his likes, then it's not, but of course he is.

At 3/15/2006 06:11:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

Alb, the ACLU is founded by US MB members and it wouldn't be a far fetched to call them the MB's US branch. Keeping that in mind, they do not stand for american civil liberties in general, but only when it suits them. The examples of that are so numerous mesh 7anekhlas. But they are not pro-freedom of religion, they are anti- Islam criticism. They are not pro-freedom of expression and speech, especially when it comes to them. And let's not even talk about Gay rights, cause, like, well, you get the point.

Man, you guys keep mentioning that daneil pipes guy whenever lama betlasenoh 3alaiah. Hmm, maybe I should read him sometimes. :P

At 3/15/2006 06:41:00 AM, Anonymous Einherjar said...

Me thinks you picked the wrong acronym sandmonkey.

At 3/15/2006 06:42:00 AM, Anonymous Chris said...

Hi Sandmonkey! Thanks for posting this...I don't know much about CAIR...other than generalities, but if they're joining up with the ACLU, it can only be a bad thing! Lately, all the ACLU does is repress anyone that has a different opinion from theirs. "Run by retards" is a definite understatement!

At 3/15/2006 06:45:00 AM, Anonymous jack said...

It's not the first time ACLU has had terrorist ties.

Do some rearch on a group called "Wheathermen" ...

At 3/15/2006 07:00:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

Einherjar, you are right.

CAIR is the one foudned by the MB. CAIR. Not the ACLU!

At 3/15/2006 07:47:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

For clarity:

MB = Muslim Brotherhood

CAIR = The Council on American-Islamic Relations

ACLU = American Civil Liberties Union

At 3/15/2006 07:49:00 AM, Anonymous Alb Sayed said...


I'm not sure if it was founded by an MB member, but even if it was, so what?

Are we writting off an entire organization because of who founded it? I've seen CAIR do a lot of good for Muslims in America since and pre-9/11. I've also seen some statements from them that frustrate me and seem contradictive to their mission. But for myself at least, the good outweighs the bad.

I've seen regular people denied job opportunities simply because of their faith. Something that used to be a norm in some parts of America, and something that Muslims rarely spoke up about fearing reprisal. But that is now less common thanks in part to the efforts of CAIR. Discrimination against Arabs and Muslims existed even before 9/11, and CAIR was one of the few organizations that stood up and did something about it.

The day the Justice Department has solid proof that CAIR is funnelling money for and/or financing any terrorist organization (and I mean terrorist a la Hezbullah, not MB), then it will be prosecuted if not shut down completely. And rightly so I might add.

But I think CAIR would be incredibly stupid if it lets that happen. I don't agree with everything they do and say, but they are one of the few that stand up for everyday Muslims in America.

Daniel Pipes is interesting, look him up.

At 3/15/2006 08:30:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

Alb, CAIR has strong ties to the MB. That is cause for concern as it reveals the real purpose of CAIR - That is to spread Islam - That is to, by any means nessessary, creat a world that is ruled under Islam.

That is a problem.

The US Security Dept. does not deal with CAIR due to its ties to terrorism. If any organisation with ties to terrorism has the ability to influence the ACLU, that is a problem. The ACLU now has almost 0 (zero) integrety.

At 3/15/2006 08:42:00 AM, Blogger elengil said...

I think with the ironic exception of the Jews, just about any religion would love to see itself as supreme in the world.

Islam isn't different in that way, it's just more pro-active about accomplishing this.

Christianity gave up about a hundred years ago.

As to the irony, the Jews who are constantly *accused* of a plot to dominate the earth are probably the only religion who would just as soon keep their religion to themselves!

At 3/15/2006 09:13:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

Religions to World Population-
Christians: 33%
Muslims: 20%
Hindus: 13%
Non-Religious: 13%
Chinese Folk: 6%
Buddhist: 6%
Jewish: 0.2%

Stats from:

"I think with the ironic exception of the Jews, just about any religion would love to see itself as supreme in the world."

What religion wants to be supreme on this world? What religion demands in its holy book that the world must be subservient to it?

Hint: It isn't Christianity or Hinduism.

At 3/15/2006 09:36:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

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At 3/15/2006 09:46:00 AM, Blogger waterdragon52 said...

Lemesee if I can figure this out. ACLU is about civil liberties being absolute to the point of defending the rights of the American Nazi party to march in a Chicago suburb with a large Jewish population, including some Holocaust survivors. CAIR, on the other hand, has stepped up to the plate to decry the publication of the now notorious Jyllens-Postens "Mohammed" cartoons, that were intended to decry the climate of clerical fascism prevailing in Europe and the extent to which some adherents to Islam are prepared to murder in the name of their faith, and not just nefarious Infidel nations that are "occupying" Muslim waqf, but Muslims from different sects, or even Muslims of the same sect who dared to participate in "haram" elections.

Obviously a perfect fit!

At 3/15/2006 10:13:00 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

*U.S. Senator Richard Durbin: "[CAIR is] unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect" (My personal senator)

*U.S. Senator Charles Schumer: "we know [CAIR] has ties to terrorism"

Alb sayed - if you want the truth on what CAIR is really about you should check out this website. CAIR has been implicated in Terror so many times that it's ridiculous. They may go to court for "equal opportunity work" issues, yes, but they also have some seriously nefarious bussiness dealings.


The views on this website are basically the same as Daniel Pipes that you mentioned earlier. They're both concerned on the fundemental freedoms of the US vs. CAIR.

If the ACLU is in bed with these people then I think that confirms what everybody already knew about the ACLU.

At 3/15/2006 11:20:00 AM, Anonymous Scott said...

As for CAIR click below and scroll down to the third cartoon.


As to the ACLU: Sandmonkey you don't actually think this org is about civil rights do you? Surely you are hipper than that! The ACLU is a neocommunist (LEFT) front organization designed to perform fifth column sabotage operations thruought the US. Beyond that it is a profit center for anti-american operations. Everytime they win a suit the American taxpayer pays all their legal fees at absured lawyer (crook) type rates. All one has to do is look at the cases they bring. All about chipping away at the foundation of American values and culture. They aren't supporting civil rights .... they are promoting the atheist agenda. A cardinal tenent of the Left. What a wonderful world we will have once the ACLU agenda controlls America. It will be Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot all rolled into one. Truly visionary utopian progress.

At 3/15/2006 04:02:00 PM, Blogger Hershblogger said...

The ACLU and CAIR share the idea that the government should enforce morality as they see it.

That they see it differently is an idea whose test will come later - when CAIR gets to the phase where they begin to advocate Sharia, then you'll hear about separation of Church and State from the ACLU. At the moment "oppressed" Muslims are potential ACLU donors.

The ACLU does not defend the Constitution of The United States, they defend their extreme leftist view of it. Check their position on the Second Amendment.

At 3/15/2006 05:08:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

What religion wants to be supreme on this world? What religion demands in its holy book that the world must be subservient to it?

Hint: It isn't Christianity or Hinduism.

Lemme rephrase, whether the religion itself calls for it or no, *followers* of Christianity at least attempted until about 100 years ago to dominate the world.

At 3/15/2006 05:26:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

CAIR is not a civil rights organization. CAIR is an *ARAB* rights organization. As such they have no business being on the board of the ACLU.

At 3/15/2006 08:13:00 PM, Anonymous Beavis & Butthead said...

The paper will not be prosecuted for violating the Danish penal code.

He said "penal"... hu hu hu.


At 3/15/2006 08:23:00 PM, Blogger Papa Ray said...

The ACLU is the second most evil thing on this planet.

I'll let you figure out the first.

Papa Ray
West Texas

At 3/15/2006 08:38:00 PM, Blogger Ron Larson said...

This is much todo about nothing. The ACLU defends the rights of those in American to their freedoms promised by our constitution. Even though we may not like CAIR's message, they have the right to speak.

Remember he saying "I may not agree with what you are saying. But I will defend to the death your right to say it"? That applies here. That is where CAIR and ACLU intersect. Don't mix up CAIR's message with their right to say it, which is what you are doing.

Regarding the attacks on the ACLU. These days we are loosing so many rights in the name of security. Despite what you may think of some the ACLU's actions, they are at least out there defending the rights the our forefathers fought and died to secure. That is a lot more than I see other people doing. Too many people are cowering in fear and toeing the party line as the current adminstration takes away more and more from us.

On a purely practical note. CAIR brings to the ACLU something that most people who they defend do not. Money. That might smooth over some of the people who don't want to defend a messenger with a message they do not like.

At 3/15/2006 09:41:00 PM, Anonymous Mike said...

It would be a huge mistake to mix muslims & Arabs with CAIR. One group can function within America and the other won't.

Idiotic guess, but CAIR is more likely to get people killed (long run) then help muslims or arabs.

At 3/16/2006 02:33:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Alb, CAIR is a classic front group for a bunch of hateful islamist bigots. Their mission statement is as meaningless as the rest of their nonsense. Daniel Pipes isn't the only one who has heard CAIR representatives speak on television, or who has examined what their statements REALLY promote, underneath the headline. CAIR exists to promote radical Islam, and to lobby against Israel.

That's OK, though. The ACLU isn't what it pretends to be wither. They deserve eachother. I just can't figure out whose image gets damaged more by this association. Some people still think CAIR is legit. I'm not sure anybody believes that about the ACLU anymore.

At 3/16/2006 02:43:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...


"The ACLU defends the rights of those in American to their freedoms promised by our constitution."

No, it doesn't. The ACLU has never taken a 2nd Amendment case.

The ACLU is primarily active in defending gay rights cases, abortion cases, and racial discrimination cases. None of that is in the US Constitution (no, abortion is not a "right to privacy" issue, I'm sorry!) though some of it is contained in our Civil Rights legislation.

The point I'm trying to make is that the ACLU only cares about SOME Civil Liberties, for SOME people. Not ALL Civil Liberties, for ALL people.

Which makes them a bunch of dirtbags, to me. How they different from any other activist group, with a specific agenda?

BTW, If CAIR was a Christian group and not a Msulim group, this alliance would never happen. But the ACLU does not attack all religions, it only attacks one religion. So, it's all good! CAIR can even help advance they're anti-Christmas campaign by playing the victim with some sob stories on their web site about little muslim children who had to sing Chrsitmas Carols at gunpoint.

At 3/16/2006 10:31:00 AM, Anonymous chellebelle said...

The ACLU's stated mission is to defend the rights of all citizens as enshrined in the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. Emphasis on the ALL. All including organizations and people most of us find abhorrent.

The ACLU has taken on many controversial cases. In the late 70's the ACLU defended the right of the National Socialist Party of America, an offshoot of the is American Nazi Party, to march through Skokie, IL that was once the traditional home of Chicago's Jewish population.

I like to read you but again Sandmonkey, I find you talking about something you dont really know much about. I know its a blog but do your research.

At 3/16/2006 10:57:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Chellebelle, when was the last time the ACLU took on a "right to bear arms case?"

Maybe we have a different understanding of what the word ALL means, eh?

At 3/16/2006 05:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ACLU and CAIR should do well together. Just look at the ACLU's roots -
"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal" - founder, Roger Baldwin

Considering the many positions that the ACLU has taken over the years, they are staying true to Mr. Baldwin's desires.
A good book that examines in detail the court cases and agenda is, 'The ACLU vs America' by Alan Sears and Craig Osten

At 3/16/2006 07:52:00 PM, Anonymous Mike said...

The iron rule of the ACLU: If you are critical someone will start talking about the Skokie march. I think the first time I heard this example of the ACLU's concern for civil rights was in 7th grade. When are they going to do something productive, not counting the Skokie march.

At 3/16/2006 08:30:00 PM, Anonymous chellebelle said...


You miss the point. I was just informing our dear Sandmonkey that the ACLU has a history of representing morally reprehensible people and organizations in line with its mission statement.

Dont bring your poop to my nest. If you thing the people and organizations that support the right to bear arms are in the same category as the American Nazi Power and CAIR thats on you, but I didnt say that. I was simply trying to school Sandmonkey.

At 3/16/2006 08:42:00 PM, Anonymous chellebelle said...

Programmer Craig:

Do not shit in my nest. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Ok I’ll keep it simple. Sandmonkey expressed surprise that the ACLU, which he mistakenly thought was a civil right organization, would have an organization he finds abhorrent represented on one of its boards.

I was simply pointing out to him that the ACLU has a long history of representing abhorrent organizations, like the American Nazi Party, KKK ect.

If you think that people and organizations that support the right to bear arms are in the same low class as the Nazi Parti and KKK that is on you but remember, I didn’t say this you did. I was simply trying to school our brother Sandmonkey!!

At 3/16/2006 10:18:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

It's because the far left is truly fing sick!!

To them the so-called Islamist thing is just exagerrated by right wingers and the real problems are the Religious Right in America.....

They still think they're in the fing 60's.... so bringing in a moderte Muslim from that Muslim Civil Rights Group CAIR only makes sense.

After all those real religious fundamentalists like Billy Graham, Fallwell etc... are simply picking on the nice peaceful folks at CAIR......

- Mike


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