Pat Roberston has lost it
Seriously, someone commit his ass already: Television evangelist Pat Robertson said Monday on his live news-and-talk program "The 700 Club" that Islam is not a religion of peace, and that radical Muslims are "satanic."
Robertson's comments came after he watched a news story on his Christian Broadcasting Network about Muslim protests in europe over the cartoon drawings of the Prophet Muhammad.
He remarked that the outpouring of rage elicited by cartoons "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with."
Ok Pat, we need to talk. It was kind of funny when you issued your Fatwa against Chavez, in a "Oh look, grandpa is senile and shitting his pants" kind of way. The thing about Sharon was a little cukoo, but whatever, it wasn't in any way worse than the Chavez thing. Now me thinks thinks you have totally lose it. I think you have gone bonkers. And I think someone needs to commit your ass in to a home quick, because you are showing signs that you may not be fit to run your organization or to have the kind of influence you have on people who follow you. It's ok Pat, it's not your fault; you are just old. Maybe it's time for you to retire or to take a nice long vacation somewhere. Whatever you do, just please do me a favor, actually 2 favors: 1) Do it quick and 2) Shut the fuck up. Ok?
posted by The Sandmonkey @ 3/14/2006 05:32:00 AM
46 Comments:
If you had followed this sad SOB's career you would have asked for this 20 or 30 years ago.
Sorry SM- While you are right on spot on alot of things and I can't agree with most of what PR rant's on about, this time he seems to be getting closer to the truth. As a person who is an agnostic, even I have to admit that the more a person studies islam, the koran and it's followers , you have to admit that mohamid was evil and that anyone who follows the actual teachings of him in the koran is also folowing an evil creed.
I may still be searching for "God" where ever she/he may be, but you have only to look at islam, the life of mohamid,and the koran to know what evil is, and what following evil results in.
So, in this case Pat Roberts is on the mark, and the rest of the world is indeed waking up to the fact that islam as directed by mohamid and the koran is evil.
I would love to see muslims denouncing in mass, the murder, mayhem, rape, child molestation, and other evils done in the name of islam, until that happens and they reform themselves, more and more of the worlds population will be waking up to the horrors that islam preaches and will be calling it for what it is , pure evil.
Old news, christian fanatics have been on about the "mohammed is antichrist"/"allah is satan" theory for milennia.
What's new is that they are now posing as agnostics.
Really!? Does this mean the US has been relieved of it's duties as the Great Satan?
I didn't get the memo! Fire that secretary for screwing up the distribution list.
We need an explanation of just how we failed in our satan job. It's not fair to just take our job away with no explanation. I thought we were doing at least a fair job of being the world's Great Satan.
Lost it? I'm beginning to wonder if he ever had "it" in the first place.
Extremists come in any shape and any colour.
Scandinavian person
If there were some dollars to be made from urging his congregation to take up arms in retaliation, I think that Pat "I'll buy that diamond mine" Robertson would be up for some christian bombing. He has gotten away with being a scumbag and committing illegal acts for yeeears. I'm relieved that none of his nutjob followers didn't go down and try to take a shot at Chavez but that would mean getting off their Doritos eating, television church going, couch sitting fat asses.
funny, I thought you would agree with him on this...your continuous rants about radical Islam seem to indicate your willingness to go along with anyone (esp American) ranting and raging against Islam.
He's just saying that for the TV ratings. February was sweeps month.
SK
It's when anyone claims PR makes sense I get worried .... very worried. That man has truely proven over decades to have no brain or sense left.
Remember - God was going to punish Pennesylvania because they ousted the schoolboard because it had tried to replace biology with religion. At least according to PR "don't come crying when God's wrath hits you" .... sometimes you don't know if you want to laugh or cry when it comes to that person.
Mohammad was an evil genius and the Koran is his manual for terror in search of world domination. This is increasingly clear. But my fellow Christians get off your high horse!!
It’s not nearly as easy to distort the teachings of the man who said to “love your enemy as you do yourself”, but plenty of Christians have managed to do that. We can rant on and on about Muslim loonies but hey at least they are following their religion!!
Where is the outrage at Christians who act exactly opposite of how Christ taught us? In the USA, we have a so called ministry traveling to the funerals of our soldiers killed in battle to thank God for killing then in punishment for Gays? Hunh? That’s not demonic? Where is the outrage of the ultra patriotic, Religious Right? I am sorry my fellow Christians, until we get our house in order and remember what Jesus said..”let he who is without sin caste the first stone” we can’t say a darn thing to Muslims.
Who is the bigger sinner truly, the Muslims following his religion when he performs terror or ours who don't do a single thing Jesus told us?
Dear, I hate to disagree with you, but you see Pat Robinson is an American living in America. He is not threatening to kill Muslims; he can say whatever cooky thing he wants. Also, technically on the matter of “religion of peace” he is correct from his point of view, though perhaps not from yours. I too have read the Holy Quran; it calls for peace among Muslims, if you are not a Muslim all bets are off. It calls for converting the whole world to Islam by force if necessary and when that is accomplished then peace will reign. The only problem with that is someone like me. I would never convert to Islam. If God wills that I die because of it, so be it, but I have found God and love him dearly in my Christian faith.
I’m going to paraphrase someone description of the Christian concept of the Trinity to illustrate a point. Fire gives off heat and light. Heat and light are separate from the fire, yet part of the fire. Think of God as the fire. God the father is the fire; God the son, Jesus is the light and God the Holy Spirit, is the heat. God the father, if you don’t understand him can consume you. God the Holy Spirit you can feel, he gives you inspiration and wisdom, but you wont know the souse if you can’t see the fire. With God the son, the Christ, Jesus, you can see, because he is the light, and understand the father.
I believe, Muslim's worship the fire without understanding/seeing it and are consumed by it. I could be wrong.
Pat Robertson is a fringe tele-evangelist who does prayer phone calls to help Aunt Margie get over her arthritus. He has said so many ridiculous things over the last 20 years it would make a good web-site.. (www.ihatepatrobertson.com).
Now Jimmy Swaggert.. that's where it's at!
Apesnake said...
“The only difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity has seen it's power limited by secularism in recent history but there are lots of them who would like to see that change. The reason more Christian churches don't join those protests at war vets funerals to denounce anyone who would die for a country that does not murder homosexuals is not that there are so few Christians of that mind set but because they know that at this time in history it would not help them meet their goals.”
This is the best comment that I have read in a long time! Hence, what we need: more secular governments and policies.
Completly off topic, but are there any Islamic tele-evangelist?
I remmeber a girl friend of mine who worked as a telemarketer and had to take calls from people wanting to donate to a tele-evangleist. It was sad.
Ok, I found 2 cents behind the couch. PR is appealing to the christian coalition, the neocons and the christian right and judging by news reports over the last 10 years 'middle America'. Not being an American does not negate the validity of my observation as sometimes an outside perspective can be useful and being neither pro or con the US in general I feel I at least have an objective view. Everything from blowing up family planning clinics to the new hokum of I.D. is indicative of religious control of the gullible. I don't believe that Islam is inheritently evil but there are two huge problems with it. 1 is the jihadist Imams, mullahs etc and the second is that for a lot of moslems the only 'education' they ever get is at a madrassa run by problem 1 and creates more of the problem 1 people. It's a self replicating virus that is spreading at an alarming rate hence my view that a war is inevitable. The people PR preaches to are mainly kept in check by education and the rule of law(whacko's excluded..you always get them). While I have no time for religious fruitloops of any persuasion I see PR, ultimately, as having little real power as his flock are cancelled out by the population of California. At the moment PR is a distraction but I admit freely that I hold the view that there are a growing number of moslems who wish to commit mass murder in the name of Mo, an expert practitioner of this in his own right according to the literature. PR, a small man in the scheme of things but needful of watching. The jihadist islamic religious leaders, now there's the real problem. BW48
There's nothing about the history of Islam that indicates it's a "religion of peace" - but the same could be said about any other religion, I suppose. Terrorists are clearly evil people, and as long as muslims continue to allow terrorists to claim they do what they do in the name of jihad, Islam is going to be tainted by that. Islam is also tainted by things like the cartoon protests.
Sorry, muslims, but when you do these things in the name of your religion, or allow them to be done in the name of your religion, people think your religion has some problems. It doesn't matter how much the "silent majority" claims that these things are not representative of Islam. They are. That's all non-muslims see. Deal with it, or deal with the blowback. A poll released yesterday shows Americans have a significantly worse opinion of Islam than they did in the weeks after 9/11. That's a STUNNING poll result. There's going to be a price to pay, and we're all going to have to pay it.
All that said, Pat Robertson is a nut. He's been saying crazy stuff since at least the 1970s.
BTW, Pat Robertson saying Islam is "not a religion of peace" is a moderation of his previous positions. He said Islam was evil about 4 or 5 years ago. Strait out. I saw him say it on a news program. So, he working on it, eh?
11:36 AM, Anonymous.... Well said! I agree.
On the other hand, I know many muslims who are very good people and I know that the things we see on TV and that we hear in the MSM do not represent their faith.
But the truth of the matter is that most of the posters on this website are ashamed to admit that they agree with Pat Robertson. Or else they simply do not realize it. When they first heard it, they liked it, and then schooled themselves into thinking they disagreed with him. (Not everyone, but YES, most of you! You may reply and say that I couldn't be more wrong. But I don't believe you.)
The people who do violence and evil in the name of islam are as evil, satanic, and demonic as those crusaders who do evil in the name of Christ. For time immemorable this has been going on. I don't think anyone here is naieve enough to not understand the difference between "moderate muslims" and "radical muslims". And it is indeed those radicals that Pat Robertson was referring to. There are radical christians who are every bit as evil as the radical muslims. But I do not believe that Pat Robertson is one of them, crazy as he may sound when taken out of context.
Sandmonkey, I love your blog and understand your reaction and feelings. But I think Pat Robertson is referring to the radical elements of Islam and the way it is preached by radical clerics. I personally trust in the goodness of people like yourself. I do apologise for the words of those who speak in generalizations the way Robertson seems to have done. I have not actually heard his exact and complete words (have you?) and will reserve ultimate judement until I do so.
11:36 AM, Anonymous.... Well said! I agree.
On the other hand, I know many muslims who are very good people and I know that the things we see on TV and that we hear in the MSM do not represent their faith.
But the truth of the matter is that most of the posters on this website are ashamed to admit that they agree with Pat Robertson. Or else they simply do not realize it. When they first heard it, they liked it, and then schooled themselves into thinking they disagreed with him. (Not everyone, but YES, most of you! You may reply and say that I couldn't be more wrong. But I don't believe you.)
The people who do violence and evil in the name of islam are as evil, satanic, and demonic as those crusaders who do evil in the name of Christ. For time immemorable this has been going on. I don't think anyone here is naieve enough to not understand the difference between "moderate muslims" and "radical muslims". And it is indeed those radicals that Pat Robertson was referring to. There are radical christians who are every bit as evil as the radical muslims. But I do not believe that Pat Robertson is one of them, crazy as he may sound when taken out of context.
Sandmonkey, I love your blog and understand your reaction and feelings. But I think Pat Robertson is referring to the radical elements of Islam and the way it is preached by radical clerics. I personally trust in the goodness of people like yourself. I do apologise for the words of those who speak in generalizations the way Robertson seems to have done. I have not actually heard his exact and complete words (have you?) and will reserve ultimate judement until I do so.
Robertson:
"the goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination."
Alasdair Palmer
The Telegraph Group
"The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state"
http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/print.php?storyid=3645
Wafa Sultan:
"The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels......"
Video clip.
Greg says...
But the truth of the matter is that most of the posters on this website are ashamed to admit that they agree with Pat Robertson.
I'm not. I'll say it. Pat Robertson made two points:
1) Islam is not a religion of peace. I completely agree with it. Whether I base my decision on islamic holy texts or mohammad's deeds or what I see in the world today, Islam is definitely not a religion of peace. Prior to 9/11, when I would hear muslims say that Islam is a religion of peace, I took them at their words, even though I rarely read about the good works of muslims in the news. Nowadays, like many westersn who desire to understand what kind of a problem the world is facing with, I am forcing myself to read up on islam and the prophet. Are there Muslims who are kind and respectful? Absolutely, I have never denied that. In fact, I have met some. However, I sometimes question if the goodness of those Muslims are derived from their faith or from their own humanities. Atheists are not influenced by any diety (maybe except themselves) but many atheists are salt of the earth kind of people.
2) "and that radical Muslims are "satanic." When I read of the story about the 3 Indonesian girls who had their heads cut off as they were en route to their schools, the thought of demonic influences on their attackers had crossed my mind. What would possess some muslims to saw their victims' head off, to see the blood burst out, to hear the screeching sounds of agony, and then be able to yell "Allah is Great?" What would possess mohammad to command his followers to strike off the heads of their enemies? I have forgotten how many innocent people have died that way, and I can't help but think there is some demonic forces at work when such murders take place. Are there radical Christians as well? Definitely, but I have never heard of one radical christian who cuts off another person's head and rejoice over it. I don't believe the muslims who protested against the cartoons are demonic; they're just very angry, but the head choppers sure seem demonic to me.
Apesnake says...
The reason more Christian churches don't join those protests at war vets funerals to denounce anyone who would die for a country that does not murder homosexuals is not that there are so few Christians of that mind set but because they know that at this time in history it would not help them meet their goals.”
That is the stupidest comment I've read all day. I do not know of one christian who claims God are killing american soldiers because of how america treats homosexuals. I do not know of one such christian, and have never heard such people exist until today. If there are many christians like that, then surely we would have heard about it now, especially given how much the media like to bash christians.
jonas
/not that my 2 cents make any difference
Joans said:
“I do not know of one such christian, and have never heard such people exist until today.”
Well, it seems that joans has not been reading his news lately. Christian hate groups have been targeting funerals of an American soliders killed in combat carrying signs that read: “God hates America,” ”thank God for 9/11” and “we humbly pray to God to please kill many more”. Don’t miss the one with a 6 years old holding a sign that reads: "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." Sample coverage:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/29/AR2006012900927.html
http://www.ydr.com/ci_3591773
http://www.godhatesfags.com/photos/thisyear.html
and by the way,
Pat Robinson is a hate monger who is no different from any wahabbi freak. They both represent the two sides of the same coin.
Just wanted to add that ;)
Phelps? Please, I'm sure even Robertson hates him. He's a nutjob. Christianity says homosexuality is a sin, not a death sentence.
As for Chavez, would you be so accepting of Benito Mussolini or General Franco? Three dictators who grandstand in front of their followers while attacking the freedoms of both their own people and those of other countries. Two men the world is a far better place without and one who shold be pretty high on the queue to leave for the hot place.
Aya,
I notice that all three of your links point to the same family, that of Fred Phelps. He runs the Westboro Baptist Church, but if you read those articles, you will see that the protesters are usually just 7 people: Fred, his daughter, and her 5 children. They travel the country and stop at soldiers' funerals to protest using their insane (and unsupported) interpretation of christianity. That's seven nutcases out of all the christians in the US. You got any more to support Apesnake's argument that there are many like phelp?
Pat Robinson is a hate monger who is no different from any wahabbi freak. They both represent the two sides of the same coin.
I beg to differ, but I do not know of one instance in which Pat robertson excuses, condones, or supports the killings of the innocent. Robertson is no where close to a wahabbi. I hope you can prove me wrong.
jonas
I hope someone cuts anon at 3:40's head off.
Muslims are in good company. Here are some of the other groups Pat Robertson has stated he hates:
- Catholics (Christian)
- Episcopalians (Christian)
- Presbyterians (Christian)
- Methodists (Christian)
- Hindus
- The United States Supreme Court
- Halloween (a US holiday for children)
- Liberals
- Evolution
- The United States
Islam is not a peaceful religion. It never has been. History attests to it. We aren't being bigots anymore for saying that than we're for pointing out problems with our own religious beliefs/misdeeds or lack thereof.
It's time to recognize that. Would we be spending trillions in Iraq and be intent on "reshaping" the Middle-East with democracy beginning there if we knew a thing or two about Sharia and what Muslims actually want? Can we finally air our misgivings about that and reconsider what the plan is? If we're to be called the great Satan and crusaders and infidels to no end, for god's sake who cares if Islam is offended by what Pat Robertson says. Perhaps the Danes should send him some cheese, he'll take some of the heat off.
Even coming from his lips and whatever delusions about other things he has, I won't deny that I'm glad when someone says that the emperor has no clothes.
Um, I only had to read the first sentence.
Pat Robertson is an idiot. That can't be said enough.
But really, sometimes you just have to get drunk and watch the 700 club cause that's some funny shit. I'm laughing just thinking about it.
Sandmoney,
Why do you care about what some evangelist in America says?
Don't tell me you are a closet 700 club watcher...are you?
I'm impressed and it does take a bit to do that. Rarely, nay never previously, have I been addressed by the captain of the Princeton debating team in such an eloquent, well structured and reasoned manner. I hope this doesn't sound too sarcastic Mike @ 9.53(let me try harder if not)but what was the reason for your wish of my sudden demise in such a personal manner? BW48
i don't always agree with the 700 club, but pat is on to something hear. i totally agree with him that it isn't a religion of peace, just as fascism and communism aren't ideologies of peace. these people are totally insane!
What you people think of this?
http://www.eurojihad.org/name-News-article-sid-2520.html
I have to add that the text is original text from the movie.
Some things are very familiar.
"We come in peace" ;)
What you people think of this?
Anon@11:41pm,
That's what CAIR is saying to America, and that pierce brosnan 007 character represents the dhimmi left.
God save us all.
jonas
Don G,
Do you have any links that show PR to have said that he hates any of the following:
- Catholics (Christian)
- Episcopalians (Christian)
- Presbyterians (Christian)
- Methodists (Christian)
- Hindus
- The United States Supreme Court
- Halloween (a US holiday for children)
- Liberals
- Evolution
- The United States
thanks
Jonas
The trouble is that when you have the particular tunnel vision of Americal evangelists, EVERYTHING you dislike is either atanic or satanically-inspired. These are people who live in a black-and-white world in which their sect, their specific church (and more specifically, everyone who gives them money), is white, and everything else is black. There is no middle ground. Mormons are satanic. Teenage pregnancy is satanic. Providing means other than abstinence to avoid teenage pregnancy is satanic. Rock music is satanic. Being gay is satanic. Your neighbor is satanic, if his new car is bigger and shinier than you can afford. Hurricane Katrina happened because someone in New Orleans was satanic. The Christmas Tsunami happened because someone in Indonesia was satanic. If California falls off into the ocean tomorrow, it'll be because someone on California was satanic.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when all you have is a bible, everything looks like Satan.
Unixronin ,what if all you have is a quran? Then everything looks like what?
Then everything looks like this:
http://www.persecution.net/pnparchive/arch7.htm
http://www.eurojihad.org/name-News-article-sid-2344.html
or like this:
http://www.historyofjihad.org/future.html
Let me throw out some numbers, they are most likely wrong, but this is just to highlight my point.
Its too bad that only 10 percent of the world reads blogs...and its too bad that only .00001 percent of that 10 percent read this blog.
Because the discussions on this blog are some of the best on the web. Of course I only have read .000001 percent of the blogs..
I don't know the actual numbers, (no one does) but you get the idea.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
Jonas,
Here are some quotes from Pat Robertson. I haven't actually heard Pat Robertson say he hates Catholic, but he doesn't seem to like Christian denominations other than evangelical Christian. As a Catholic, I certainly don't his values of bigotry and intolerance.
Here are the quotes.
Regarding Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists:
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
With regard to the US Supreme Court, my take on his views are that he wants to turn it into an ultra conservative group that supports his views at the expense of the U.S. Constitution. See
http://www.patrobertson.com/PressReleases/supremecourt.asp
http://www.cbn.com/special/supremecourt/prayerpledge.asp
He wrote a book "Courting Disaster: How the Supreme Court Is Usurping the Power of Congress and the People." In it he says, "An out-of-control judiciary is the single greatest threat to democracy and the religious and moral foundations of America."
Confronted by Stephanopoulos (on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos) on his claims that an out-of-control liberal judiciary is the worst threat America has faced in 400 years - worse than Nazi Germany, Japan and the Civil War - Robertson didn't back down. - As reported in the New York Daily News May 2, 2005
On America -- the following four quotes illustrate that he wants to destroy our multi-cultural, multi-religion institutions, eliminate separation of church and state from the constitution, and that he sanctions religious discrimination. At a minimum the quotes show his complete contempt for essential American values.
“It is interesting that termites don’t build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christian, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our] institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has come for a godly fumigation.” New York, August 18, 1986
“There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that sanctifies the separation of church and state.”
“The 700 Club,” Oct. 2, 1984
“[The separation of church and state] was never in the Constitution. However much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Constitution! Such language only appeared in the constitution of the communist Soviet Union.” “The 700 Club,” Jan. 22, 1995
“When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. ‘What do you mean?’ the media challenged me. ‘You’re not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?’ My simple answer is, ‘Yes, they are.’” The New World Order, (Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas) 1991, p. 218
On Halloween, a holiday for children where they dress in costumes and go door to door collecting candy:
"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice...[The children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't even realize it."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1982-OCT-29
On Hinduism:
"The whole thought of your karma, of meditation, of the fact that there's no end of life and there's this endless wheel of life, this is all Hinduism. Chanting too. Many of those chants are to Hindu Gods-Vishnu, Hare Krishna. The origin of it is all demonic." March 23rd, 1995 "The 700 Club."
On evolution:
On CBN's The 700 Club (Dec 15, 2005), host Pat Robertson claimed that "the evolutionists worship atheism" and that because "evolution becomes their religion" it is "an establishment of religion contrary to the First Amendment." Robertson went on to suggest that evolution advocates were "fanatics," stating further, "it is a religion, it is a cult. It is cultish religion."
Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design. - CBS News Nov 11, 2005 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/10/politics/main1036232.shtml
- Don
PR is on something all right!! Too bad it isn't Prozac. The guy has gotten rich off taking money from lots of people who can't afford it by promising them shit he's in no position to guarentee.
Huckster/scammer/snake oil salesperson? Nah, just a greedy bastard.
Ron,
I went through your links and from my understanding, PR is just disagreeing with these issues. It's one thing to disagree, and something else to hate. I don't believe PR is a hate monger, but his expressions are sometimes interpretated as such. Even hating homosexuality, for example, is not the same as hating gay people. PR has a charity that distributes large trucks full of food and other essentials to the needy all across the country. Does he only give those aids to straight people and not gays, or to people who belong to religious denominations he agrees with? Of course, not. With his history of saying controversial things and the fact that he's on tv asking for money for his religious causes, it's no wonder many people would have little trouble believing he's a hate monger, but if they look closely, his views are mostly borne out of disagreements and not hatred. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am at the moment. PR is not a hateful person. (but it's so hard to see that when he suffers from so much foot-in-mouth disease)
Thanks for taking the time to post the info.
jonas
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