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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Friday, March 10, 2006

Yemeni lawyers demand the death penalty for local cartoons publisher

Ok, someone, anyone, please send some of the Qatt drug* they love so much over to Yemen; they are starting to lose it all over again. (Hattip: The brilliant, very cute and unfortunately married Natasha) Yemeni lawyers have called for a newspaper editor to be sentenced to death for showing cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad, his paper says. Muhammad al-Asadi was arrested after his publication, the Yemen Observer, showed the Danish cartoons in February. He denies the charges of offending Islam, under which he is being tried. The English-language newspaper has had its licence to publish suspended, although its staff have continued to produce material online. Lawyers leading a civil case against publishers of the cartoons - in addition to the public case - cited precedents from Muslim history when the prophet was insulted by a woman and then praised her killer. Ha. Ok. That should make the Prophet look good, don't you think? Christians, rejoice. The muslims are doing your evangelical work for you. "Our prophet once praised the man who killed a woman who insulted him. Now doesn't that make you want to follow him? What did yours say? 'Love thy enemy' and 'who lives by the sword , dies by the sword'? What a wussy. Ours praised the killer of a woman who insulted him, and we like to follow his footsteps." *The Sandmonkey smashes head to his desk 4 times really really hard. Feels dizzy for a minute. But the pain distracts him from his rage the necessary time it takes to finish this post.* And then we wonder why this happens. Sigh....

*Qatt is this cheweable drug that all people in Yemen chew, and it makes them all docile and lazy, until they run out of it. The last time they ran out of it, they had a civil war, and the country split in two (and depressingly, I am not kidding either). I fear that there maybe a couple of lawyers who did run out of it again, and they need some Qatt sent to them A.S.A.P. before they succeed in what they are demanding. Even if you are against drug use, get behind the "send yemenis Qatt" initiative. Wea re talking about someone's life here.

34 Comments:

At 3/10/2006 01:25:00 AM, Blogger Jordan said...

I think its time for the book, "SandMonkey's Guide to Islam for Whitey - A collection of Essays" to be given serious consideration.

I am not kidding.

If you stick to your writing style you use in your blogs, I think it will sell.

 
At 3/10/2006 02:10:00 AM, Anonymous Aya said...

“Lawyers leading a civil case against publishers of the cartoons - in addition to the public case - cited precedents from Muslim history when the prophet was insulted by a woman and then praised her killer”

As if Islam needs more stuff to make it look like a psychotic violent cult! I seriously wonder where do these people get such so-called historical precedents? This is such BS.

 
At 3/10/2006 03:51:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=442567 (in danish)

According to the danish newspaper Politiken, the spokesperson for "journalist without borders" Lynn Tehini in Paris, says, that their representative in Sanaa - the capital of Yemen - denies that the editor faces demands for death penalty.

 
At 3/10/2006 05:48:00 AM, Blogger Blogspat said...

Uhh.. A Spanish clothing company had to change their signs because they were insulting to Moslems. This is the picture
Why? - because the building were "we slept" looks lika a mosque..

 
At 3/10/2006 05:51:00 AM, Blogger Blogspat said...

*where

My point was...
I think everything is just getting over-sensitive.

 
At 3/10/2006 06:06:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

IMHO I think it's like building a jigsaw puzzle. If the 'offended' ones keep complaining enough it will 'show' that people in other countries are failing to understand religious sensitivities. It's a religious version of Pavlov's dogs, people are being conditioned and the PC ratbags are swallowing it. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, just a few zealots seeing what a great ploy it is and how well it works and viola, a campaign. Then they start asking for bigger concessions. Takes a while but a smart move and working quite nicely thank you. BW48

 
At 3/10/2006 07:40:00 AM, Blogger Papa Ray said...

SM, We have been wrong all along...

Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood MPs: The Koran Encourages Terrorism; "Bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri and Al-Zarqawi are Not Terrorists in the Sense Accepted by Some"

What are we to think now?

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

 
At 3/10/2006 07:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aya says....
I seriously wonder where do these people get such so-called historical precedents? This is such BS.

1) From the Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guilaume's translation "The Life of Muhammad") pages 675, 676.

2) From Ibn Sa`d's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, page 31.

3) From "23 Years; A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad", by Ali Dashti, (Mazda Press, 1994), Dashti also references the murders of Abu `Afak and `Asma' b. Marwan.(page 100):



jonas

 
At 3/10/2006 07:59:00 AM, Blogger finished2912 said...

Hey man, take it easy on that head banging. I know it feels SO GOOD when you stop but eventually you end up like my hero M. Ali (C. Clay) with alot to say and no way to get it out.

 
At 3/10/2006 09:47:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

This coming war is gathering pace. I hope that moderate muslims around the globe are organising themselves together to join the west. They would be the most important allies.

 
At 3/10/2006 01:23:00 PM, Anonymous Aya said...

WOW jonas, It seems that you have done your research. Those references, though, are merely a collection of so called oral tradition that is still full of BS.

 
At 3/10/2006 02:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't the Hadith form the basis of the Sunnah?

If so, then Hadith Bukhari contains many stories about Mohammed killing those who mocked him.

Seems as if he was rather.. fragile emotionally. Not a true prophet at all.

 
At 3/10/2006 03:39:00 PM, Blogger "Ms. Cornelius" said...

I have just happened upon this fascinating site. I AM a girl, but unfortunately neither cute nor unmarried, strangely enough.

But although 46% of Americans have a negative view of Islam, I wonder if any of them have read an English translation of the Qur'an?

I do not blame the religion. I blame the leaders, going back a loooong way, sure, but the leaders nonetheless are responsible.

Thank you for your efforts at spreading reason and being brave enough to criticize those who issue death sentences when questioned.

By the way, some cartoons send people into murderous rages (and not even all Muslims follow the ban on depicting Muhammad), where was the outcry for sensitivity to religion when the Taliban was blasting the Buddha statues into smithereens?

 
At 3/10/2006 04:03:00 PM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

Aya, but can't you technically say that about all Hadiths?

 
At 3/10/2006 06:23:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Ms. Cornelius,

I have read an english translation of the Qur'an. My Pakistani friend gave it to me.

Let us say it didn't significantly change my views one way or another, all it did was provide a more solid basis for them, though I was surprised at some of it.

 
At 3/10/2006 06:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I simply cannot understand why people follow Mohammed - he left a trail of blood, not something I would be proud of in any form.

Muslims seem to be blind to all the hypocrisy; I imagine this type of thinking is transferred over to their belief system.

...to each their own...just back away from my head...

Joanne

 
At 3/10/2006 06:46:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Muslims seem to be blind to all the hypocrisy;

A condition neither confined to Islam specifically or even religion in general. Hypocrisy, as well as blindness to your own, is fairly universal in the human species.

 
At 3/10/2006 09:50:00 PM, Anonymous Sydney Kendall said...

To the Muslims here: can you recommend a good, reliable English translation of the Koran and the Hadith for those of us who want to get some first-hand knowledge of your religion?

Also, Sandmonkey - have you written a post or posts anywhere on your site that covers your views on the meaning of Islam in some depth?

I'm well aware that there are many Muslims who disagree with the violent interpretation of the religion by the "Islamists". What I still do not know, and want to find out for myself, is are the tolerant, reasonable Muslims simply reasonable people who gloss over destructive aspects of their holy books in order to live constructive lives on earth? Or are the fanatical Muslims getting destructive meanings out of the Koran and Hadith that are not actually there?

 
At 3/10/2006 10:23:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've read the big "K" and find it rather odd that folks would think it's the actual word of a god. My take is that the stuff in there is Momo's wet dream come to life with all the justification of killing, raping and wife beating going on. The guy had a 6 year old wife for god's sake and the record shows that he was nothing but a thug what god would condone what he wrote? Cutting off all the heads of the men of a town then rape their women does not seem like a very sweet thing to do. I just don’t understand how anyone one would condone such a thing but yet it gets drilled into the heads of all Muslims?

Imagine today the pope were to preach that the Christian’s should go around killing every Muslim that hid behind a rock or tree in the name of God? He would be put in jail and his followers would not be very happy with him I’d gather. But this is exactly what those freaky freaks preach over loudspeakers! Where is the love in this religion of peace I ask? I’m serious, who the funk gave the right to those sick bastards to brainwash an entire people and why do they follow such orders? Who in their right mind would kill an innocent person just because they were told they would get a BJ from the beloved 72? I don’t mean to diss an entire religion but I just can’t grasp the concept
SM you seem to be a cool Muslim so please explain this to me and the others that want to understand how you would worship a prophet and jokers that preach hate and killing?

My take is that these poor misguided fools are not allowed to “love” a woman nor are they allowed to see the beauty in them so they resent them. The Koran teaches that women are the devil’s work and are nothing but dirt to be covered up with a rug… WTF!!! My girl is a wonderful person and I love her very much, we share things and do thing together without me beating her for being a dog. I would never tell her to do whatever I say or I will kill her. Why would a brother kill her sister because she got raped? The assholes that raped her should be the ones that get the axe not her! I don’t care who you think you are, wrong is wrong. The whole Muslim gang rape thing that is going on is getting worse and it makes no sense to me that the mother of the rapist’s wonders why their sons are being arrested.

Sorry for the retarded rant but I just don’t get it. My brother (PBUH) was on the 74th floor of WTC #2, what did he do to piss off this Allah dude?

-Scott

 
At 3/10/2006 10:24:00 PM, Anonymous Aya said...

Sandmonkey,
to some of it: yes.

 
At 3/10/2006 10:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms.Cornelius,my negative view of Islam got even more negative when I read the koran in English.I could quote you some rather scary verses,but no doubt some moderate muslim would say I am taking them out of context. Dan

 
At 3/10/2006 10:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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What if this Constitution was supported by a manifesto that contained the only authorized biography of the regime’s founder, and the first devotees of this doctrine, its co-founders, said that their leader was a sexual predator, a pirate, and a terrorist? If you found such evidence, what would you do with it? What if this leader motivated his mercenaries to murder and mayhem by allowing them to keep what they had stolen in the name of the cause—their victim’s homes, businesses, money—even their women and children?.............Read more on
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At 3/10/2006 11:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why Muslims like to kill innocent people? Why they like burn or destroy everything what doesn’t belong to Islam?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/GrantSwank60309.htm

 
At 3/11/2006 02:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it's time to drop the term ISLAMOPHOBIA
... and start using the more correct ISLAMOREALISM

 
At 3/11/2006 04:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To S* MONKEY:
Quoted (*Qatt is this cheweable drug that all people in Yemen chew, and it makes them all docile and lazy, until they run out of it. The last time they ran out of it, they had a civil war, and the country split in two (and depressingly, I am not kidding either). I fear that there maybe a couple of lawyers who did run out of it again, and they need some Qatt sent to them A.S.A.P. before they succeed in what they are demanding. Even if you are against drug use, get behind the "send yemenis Qatt" initiative. Wea re talking about someone's life here.)

Now tell me you have read that from the Quran? or you actually were there writing the history of Yemen? or you wrote that after you smached your head 4 times on your desk!

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To Scott:
Quoted from Anonymous:Scott
(I've read the big "K"... The Koran teaches that women are the devil’s work and are nothing but dirt to be covered up with a rug)

Where the heck did you read this? if you really claim you have read the Quran prove it.. ? Stop saying what you just beleive and claim You have read it in Quran.. Give phrases of what you claim, links and prove it IF YOU REALLY CAN! big liar!

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To All of the Anti-Islam comments and blogers here:

I don't know if I can blame you or blame myself and my nation for not showing the world what is the correct image of Islam but I'm praying to God that someday the sun will raise and all fabrications go away and only then you would know what the Islam really is.
You keep saying that Islam is a bad religion but that won't change Islam.. you are just adding more scribbles to the already defaced image of Islam.

I beleive that God is wise enough so everything happened and happening now against Islam is for a good wise reason.

 
At 3/11/2006 07:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't read the Qu'ran, supposedly it loses its nuances when translated into english but that's ok because I'll tell you what I judge SOME of Islam on. It's the suicide bombers, the killers of women and children in Allah's name. It's the clerics who cause hatred in people who are led like sheep to commit acts of barbarity against other moslems in the name of not God but a prophet who did a fair bit of killing and looting himself. It's the ayatollah's who subjugate, condone the killing of and create a festering hatred in moslems who will be killed if they speak against this evil. I could continue but we all know what happens around the world so I ask you who posted at 4.45am, why shouldn't I judge by actions rather than words? yes I know the Shiia, Sunni/salafi, Sufi & Wahabi differences in ideaology. The reason that everything is happening against Islam at the moment? Not being God the only suggestion I can make is that it's because scum sucking assholes yell Allah Aquba before they murder innocent civilians. BW48

 
At 3/11/2006 09:30:00 PM, Blogger LouLou said...

Aya,

SM is right. You can say that about all the hadiths more or less.

Take a look at these two hadiths:

1-"I am the most honourable Messenger." (Bukhary 97/36).
2-"Do not make any distinction among the Messengers; I am no better than Jonah." (Bukhary 65/4,5; Hanbel 1/205,242,440).

Note that the second is in agreement with the Quran which states:

“The Messenger believes in what is revealed to him from his Lord as do the believers. All of them believe in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: ‘We make no distinction between any of the Messengers.’ They say: ‘We hear and we obey. Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the final destination’.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 285]

So the question becomes which do you follow? The first hadith, the second or the Quran?

Or these two:

1-"The sun was eclipsed the day Ibrahim (the Prophet’s son) died."… (Bukhary 7/page 118)
2-"The sun and moon are signs from God, they are not eclipsed for the death or life of any one" (Bukhary 2/page 24)

Note that these come from purely Sunna sources!We haven't even touched on the Shia story. It always makes me laugh when Sunna scholars tell you everything is in the 4 major books of hadiths & that you can follow any of them & it's fine when there are such contradictions in Bukhary alone!

And Sunna & Shia are just the two dominant sects today. If you look at history you will find that there were hundreds of sects that rose & fell mainly for political reasons & they all thought the Prophet did or told them to do different things. It was never the Quran they disagreed upon. It was always the oral tradition of who the Prophet supported when & in what etc.... And the life & times of the Companions too. The version of hadiths that dominates today does because it's followers happen to be influential enough not really because it's anymore authentic than other versions.

 
At 3/12/2006 12:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:45 I might be big but I'm no liar. I've read many books about many things and I do not have to answer to you or anybody for that matter. I wanted clarification of the facts as I see them to be from the research I have done.

Qur’an 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.”

Pardon me if I am not reading this right but did he just say to wash up with dirt after you touch a woman?

Qur’an 33:59 “Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies. That will be better.”

How would that be better and why should they cover themselves up?

Qur’an 24:1 “a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

I like Fornication with the one I love and respect. I can see the adultery thing but what about when they fuk the wives of the men they just killed? How it is ok to rape a woman or force your wife to have sex when she is not in the mood? Oh yea, they have to wait till they have at least one menstrual cycle then its game on. To me, that is just sick.


4:45 wrote..."I don't know if I can blame you or blame myself and my nation for not showing the world what is the correct image of Islam but I'm praying to God that someday the sun will raise and all fabrications go away and only then you would know what the Islam really is.

First off, why would you blame me or yourself for that matter for the freaks that continue to destroy your "image" of Islam? You can pray all you want but the sad fact is that nobody but Muslims are doing some seriously bad things in the name of a thug of the past. I'd say that Allah would not be a happy camper if he found out what was going on down here.

This is my take on it all and I don't care if you go bold on me but the facts speak for themselves. Do something about it now before it's too late...oh wait, it's too late! FOLKS HAVE DIED OVER FREAKING CARTOONS FOR GODS SAKE!!!!

4:45 wrote "You keep saying that Islam is a bad religion but that won't change Islam.. you are just adding more scribbles to the already defaced image of Islam."

I am not the one that has defaced Islam. You need to stop making excuses and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!

4:45 "I beleive that God is wise enough so everything happened and happening now against Islam is for a good wise reason. "

I'm so sick and tired of folks pretending that everything happens because God wills it to be. Quit being a dog on a leash and take control of your own life.

Again I don't mean to deface Islam
but don't you dare call me a liar when you don't even know me. i am a nice person to all that are nice to me. I hold the door for ladys no matter what god they bow down too but this nonsense has got to stop.
-Soctt

 
At 3/12/2006 12:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damb, you got me so worked up that I spelled my name wrong! Or did God make me spell my name wrong??

;)

 
At 3/13/2006 10:25:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To BW48:
Let me give you an example similar to the situation. There's this story of the four Egyptian guys who went to US and there raped a 10 years old girl. The girl who was raped didn't hear about Egyptians before.. that was her first time meeting egyptinas.. Now she beleives that all Egyptians are RAPERS! is that true? no matter how you try to tell her Egypt is not a bad country she won't beleive you because she judged by Actions! and all of her relatived and most of who heard the story will think the same.. They will say we judge by Actions. Egypt is the country of raping!. do you beleive that too?

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To LouLou:

Have you read the explanations of the Hadiths you mentioned?

Read carefully:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/018.sbt.html#002.018.153
it's the opposite meaning of what you said!

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Hey -Soctt: You only see what your eyes want to see!

READ THE CORRECT TRANSLATION BELOW:

Qur’an 4:43 "O Believers, do not draw near to the Prayer when you are drunken, until you know what you are saying, nor when polluted __ except that you are traversing a way __ until you have washed yourselves; and if you are sick, or on journey, or any of you comes from the privy, or you have touched women and you find no water, then have recourse to clean dust and wipe your faces and your hands; God is surely Pardoning, Forgiving."

Explained In Approved Tafseer Translation:

O you who believe, draw not near to prayer, that is, do not perform prayer, whilst you are inebriated, by a drink: this was revealed concerning being drunk during the congregational prayer; until you know what you are saying, when you have sobered up; nor whilst you are defiled, as a result of [sexual] penetration or ejaculation (junuban, 'defiled', is in the accusative because it is a circumstantial qualifier, and may be used to refer to the singular or plural) - unless you are traversing, crossing, a way, a route, that is, [unless] you are travelling - until you have washed yourselves, in which case you may perform prayer: a proviso is made for the traveller because a different stipulation applies to him, as will follow. It is said that the purpose [of this verse] is to prohibit the approach to places of prayer, that is, mosques, the exception being if one were merely passing through and not staying. But if you are sick, with an illness made worse by [contact with] water, or on a journey, that is, [or] travelling whilst you are [ritually] defiled or impure, or if any of you comes from the privy (al-ghā'it) a place designated for relieving nature, that is to say, [or if any of you] have defecated, or you have touched women (lāmastum, a variant reading has lamastum: both mean lams, that is, 'touching with the hand', as stated by Ibn 'Umar; this is also the opinion of al-Shāfi'ī, and it extends to touching with other parts of the skin; according to Ibn 'Abbās, however, it is [referring to] sexual intercourse); and you can find no water, with which to purify yourselves for prayer, having made the effort to seek it out and search for it - the sick being exempt in this case - then resort to, seek, when the time [for the prayer] has commenced, wholesome soil, clean earth, strike it twice, and wipe your faces and your hands, with it, up to the elbows (the verb masaha, 'to wipe', may stand on its own with a direct object or take a particle [before the direct object, sc. masaha bi-]). God is ever Pardoning, Forgiving.


As you can see, there's no thing about dirt.. and touching meant for sexual kind of touching, and the wash or using dust is to prepare for Prayers.

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Qur’an 33:59 "O Prophet, say to thy wives, thy daughters and the women of the Believers to draw their veils close to them; that is more likely that they will be known and not hurt; and God is Forgiving, Merciful"


Explained In Approved Tafseer Translation:

O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks closely over themselves (jalābīb is the plural of jilbāb, which is a wrap that covers a woman totally) - in other words, let them pull part of it [also] over their faces, leaving one eye [visible], when they need to leave [the house] for something. That makes it likelier that they will be known, to be free women, and not be molested, by being approached. In contrast, slavegirls did not use to cover their faces and so the disbelievers used to pester them. And God is Forgiving, of any occasion in the past when they may have neglected to cover themselves, Merciful, to them in His veiling them.

Got that?
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Qur’an 24:1 "A Sura We have sent down and have ordained, and We have sent down in it clear signs, that you may take heed.(1) The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each one of them with a hundred stripes, and let no pity for them hold you in the matter of God's Religion, if you believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of the Believers witness their punishment.(2)The fornicator does not marry but a fornicatress or an idolatress; and the fornicatress __ none marries her but a fornicator or an idolater; and that is forbidden to the Believers.(3)"

That's clear, isn't it? stop adding more fabricated lies
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Anything else you said is just as I mentioned above: You are just adding more scribbles to the defaced Image of Islam.. and it's never too late! I'm already trying to do something about it.

The difference between believers and non-believers is the faith; we do our best and rely on God to help us, whereas You do your best and rely on your own fancies. only wise men know which is best. I don't think you would understand any thing of that, you don't care because you are busy in your !Fornication!.

 
At 3/13/2006 11:42:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

!0.25, First off you are the one making lies. I guess A little sugar to go along with the justifukcation of beating, raping and killing others helps you fell better.


Now lets go over some of your "expert" translations shall we?

"if you are sick, or on journey, or any of you comes from the privy, or you have touched women and you find no water, then have recourse to clean dust and wipe your faces and your hands; God is surely Pardoning, Forgiving."


Ok, so going to the bathroom and touching a women are considered one in the same? To me that is insane and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that 'ol momo was a complete jerk. Did he not have a child as a wife? Did he not tell his followers to kill anyone that defaces him? Was he not a thug? was he not a child molestor? is it ok to have sex with a boy rather then a dirty women?

To me Dirt and Dust are the same thing since they both reside on the earths crust. As a matter of fact most "Dust" is dead skin and God would know this since he is "all Knowing" right?
Dust mites eat "dust" and God made dust mites so what do you consider "clean" dust? non dusty dust?

"touching meant for sexual kind of touching, and the wash or using dust is to prepare for Prayers."

Lets see, you pray in your head correct? so who cares how clean your penis or hands are?

Next...

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks closely over themselves - in other words, let them pull part of it [also] over their faces, leaving one eye [visible], when they need to leave [the house] for something. That makes it likelier that they will be known, to be free women, and not be molested, by being approached. In contrast, slavegirls did not use to cover their faces and so the disbelievers used to pester them. And God is Forgiving, of any occasion in the past when they may have neglected to cover themselves, Merciful, to them in His veiling them."

"Got that?"

Yea, I got it. I was always under the impression that God loved ALL HIS CHILDREN so this is utter bunk!!!

"The difference between believers and non-believers is the faith; we do our best and rely on God to help us, whereas You do your best and rely on your own fancies. only wise men know which is best. I don't think you would understand any thing of that, you don't care because you are busy in your !Fornication!".

No, it is your satanic clerics and other freaks that are adding the fuel to the fire that is burning down the house of Islam. I am busy working and doing my part to make this country I live in a better place. When my lady and I are making love we are MAKING LOVE and that is a wonderful thing to share between two adults.

This one is your best yet...

"The difference between believers and non-believers is the faith"

BS!!!! Your so called believers are doing some very bad things. I do not judge those who do not share the same views as I like yourself. I don't kill others for my agenda.

"That's clear, isn't it? stop adding more fabricated lies "

You must be blind not to see what direction your breathren are taking Islam. All I see coming from you is excuses to a problem that has been around for a long time. From what I can tell there are more then a handful of "good" muslims out there that do/did not condem the actions of the bad guys and this my friend is wrong in my book.

"we do our best and rely on God to help us, whereas You do your best and rely on your own fancies. only wise men know which is best. I don't think you would understand any thing of that, you don't care because you are busy in your !Fornication!. "


I don't need a god or a false puppet to understand right from wrong as you do. I make my own choices in my life unlike the dog that you have proven yourself to be. Get rid of the leash and be yourself for once. Most of your so-called wize men preach death to everyone who will not bow down to their nonsense. They are nothing but a bunch of files that feed on the shit that those wannabe killers push out of their mouths.

"Death to amerikka and the UKK" and all that happy horse shit is getting old. Your problem is that YOU do not understand anything other then what was drilled down your tiny brain.

I am not too busy in my fornication as you stated. On the contray I care very much about my fellow man no matter what color or creed he may be.

Nothing you have corrected me with holds any water to the fact that ISLAM is going down the toliet fast unless you and others like you have stated strive to turn it around. Don't blame me for the shit that is going on in your camp, I'm very cool with my folks.

-Scott

 
At 3/13/2006 08:47:00 PM, Blogger LouLou said...

Scott,

Muslim Women have to wash for prayer after touching men too you know. You can look at Islamic washing rituals here.
They're the same for men & women.

"Lets see, you pray in your head correct? so who cares how clean your penis or hands are?"

There are 2 types of prayer: Congregational ritualistic prayer & the kind of prayer you mentioned which is just talking to God in your head. Washing rituals apply to the first which Muslims perform 5 times a day at the mosque. Now I have Christian relatives & I see that when they go to Church on Sunday they wash & dress up too so I know that this is not something unique to Islam. Am not sure what the Jewish faith teaches on this point but am sure it's pretty negative on attending congregational worship stinking to high heaven. At the mosque I often find myself wishing someone would explain this to some of my fellow worshippers. It's extremely unpleasant having to pray in close proximity to people who didn't bother to bathe before they came to the mosque.

Older women in my family would cover their hands with their sleeves when shaking hands with unrelated males if they're going to pray. I don't do that because I don't believe casual touching like shaking hands is what's being referred to. I'd wash for prayers if I touched someone who gave me butterflies - like my husband - though. And he doesn't take it to mean he's dirt. Infact he's flattered by it.:)

But some of my girlfriends would apologize to people for not being able to shake hands when they're going to pray & no one takes it to mean they're implying anyone else is dirt. It's just a ritual, like kneeling or prostrating. I guess not everyone is as fragile emotionally as you appear to be.:)

 
At 3/14/2006 12:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the explanation of a rather odd way of praying to a god but you did not answer my questions.

Was Momo married to a 6 year old child?

Did he not kill, rape & order those that did not see things his way killed?

Were you there when God dictated the Koran to him and could he have lied about the whole thing?

How can you follow the teachings of this guy when it's pretty aparent that he was completely off his rocker?

I must add the fact that I am not emotionally fragile, I am not the one that kills others in order to fornicate with 72 virgins, your Islam-o-freaks do and they need to be stopped by pen or better yet sword. I've read what they are teaching in the schools of Islam and it's the usual death to the Jews and all that oppose it. The schools are preaching death & hate to little kids? Do they not have a PTA over there?

Read this excerpt from Dan Pipes and tell me what you think...



"I’m in awe of people like Canada’s Irshad Manji, the “Muslim refusenik”, who had the courage in her book The Trouble with Islam to directly confront the horrors done in Allah’s name -- in, as she put it, “Pick a country, any Muslim country.”

Another is Wafa Sultan, an Arab woman practising psychology, now living in the States. A self-professed “disbeliever in the supernatural”, she has posted essays on the Internet in Arabic, including research into the fate of women under various Islamic regimes. She has willingly and ably confronted Muslim fanatics on Arab TV, most recently on Feb. 21st, when she debated Dr Ibrahim Al-Khouli on Al-Jazeera. A transcript and video clips with English subtitles were made available this week by the Middle East Media Research Institute (“Memri”) -- an indispensable institution, based in Israel, that distributes hard information and accurate translations of documents from the Arab world. (It is useless to condemn it as “Zionist” -- everything Memri publishes is sourced and checkable.)

With great bravery, Dr Sultan confronts the “tu quoque” (“you too”) arguments of the apologists for Islamic terror -- refusing to let them change the subject from what they have done, said, and approved, to misty rhetoric against Zionists, Yankees, Imperialists, Crusaders. Boldly on Al-Jazeera, last week, she said what our Western politicians, media flaks, and academic celebrities won’t say, from cowardice in its many forms. Excerpt:

“The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. ... It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on the other. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.”

The sparkling TV host interrupts to ask if Dr Sultan insinuates the clash is, “between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims”. Dr Sultan replies, “Yes, that is what I mean.”

The host reminds her that this phrase, “clash of civilizations”, came from Samuel Huntington, not Osama bin Laden. Dr Sultan reminds him that Islamic books and curricula, going back to the Koran, are full of calls for “fighting the infidels”.

When her opponent, Dr Khouli, claims he never offends people, Dr Sultan reminds that among other things he calls Westerners “al-Dhimma” (i.e. the Muslims’ natural slaves), that he routinely compares them to apes and pigs, that he calls Christians “those who incur Allah's wrath”, and so forth.

He asks if she is a heretic. Dr Sultan says, he can call her what he likes. He continues, “If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran!” She replies, “These are personal matters that do not concern you. ... Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me.”

And after the usual banter about Zionism, she notes that since the Holocaust, the Jews have made the world respect them by their work and knowledge, not their crying and yelling. “We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church.” Likewise, though professing Muslims turned ancient Buddha statues into rubble, “We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a mosque, kill a Muslim, or torch an embassy.”

Since the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, many thousand other barbaric acts have been reported, around the world, each one performed explicitly in the name of Allah. This is fact, not prejudice, and our refusal to make Islam an issue plays directly into the fanatics’ hands.

It is not our business to “define Islam”, as so many Muslims aver. It is the Muslims’ duty to define it, in such a way that we will not mistake it for a sword held to our own throats. For when it is presented as a sword, it becomes our business."



When my brother was murdered by some peice of shit that thought he was doing right by a god I have a problem with that. I also have a problem with some jerk calling me a liar when he has no clue who I am. pray however you want but it's all bullshit as far as I'm concerned and I am entitled to my opinion. Females have a right to be treated equally and from what I have learned the majority of Muslim men do not see it that way.

Do you think the Jew's are the sons of Apes & Pigs too or do you feel they are your equal?

-Scott

 
At 3/14/2006 08:58:00 PM, Blogger LouLou said...

Scott,

"Was Momo married to a 6 year old child?"

Some hadith accounts like the ones in Bukhari state that she was 6 when they got engaged & that the marriage was held off until she got her period which was at age 9. But there is little historical or biographical basis for that. You can read about this controversy here.

Personally I think that is nonsense. For two reasons:

1) Aisha was already engaged to someone else & the guy broke off the engagement when Aisha's father(Abu Bakir) converted to Islam. Abu Bakir was one of the first converts to Islam - almost certainly during the first year. That was 12 years before Hijrah(the migration to Medina). If his daughter was old enough to be engaged & have her engagement broken then how could she possibly have been 6 or 9 when she married Muhammad 13 or more years later?

2) The sayings attributed to Aisha during the early years of her marriage to the Prophet simply could not have been uttered by a 9 year old. The style & the language & the content is way too sophisticated. Now I've heard explanations along the lines of yes but Aisha had unusual abilities because God blessed her, it was a miracle etc.....but they don't convince me. God didn't make the Prophet himself into a child prodigy. The Prophet lived a normal childhood. So why would Aisha be made into a miracle child?

To some Sunni scholars Bukhari etc...are sacred . To me they're just another historical source to be measured up & compared to many others. Bukhari was a human being. He was not infallible. He may have done his best but he was born 200 years after the Prophet died. His narrations are said to have come from at least 1000 different sources - none of whom were alive at the time of the Prophet. So essentially everything he presents is hearsay. I don't think even he meant it to be taken as gospel. "It is said that he heard from over 1,000 men, and learned over 600,000 traditions, true and false."

"Did he not kill, rape & order those that did not see things his way killed?"

Can we please have some specifics here?I dislike sweeping statements of this nature. Who did he kill for not seeing things his way?And who did he rape?

"When my brother was murdered by some peice of shit that thought he was doing right by a god I have a problem with that."

I'm very sorry for your loss but I personally haven't killed anyone & don't appreciate people talking to me as if I did.

"pray however you want but it's all bullshit as far as I'm concerned and I am entitled to my opinion."

Thanks but I really don't need your permission to pray however I want. And I didn't notice myself trying to convert you or even asking you what you believe in because am not interested. You're the one who was attacking the way we choose to pray which is really none of your business but at least 2 of us took the time to answer you anyway. So next time if you don't want to hear the answer don't ask the question.

"Females have a right to be treated equally and from what I have learned the majority of Muslim men do not see it that way. "

You have statistics to support that I suppose? You do realize that you're talking about 1.3 billion people in 57 countries in 3 continents - that's not even counting Muslims in the West?So first we'd need statistics for what percentage of them are men. And then we'd need to poll them on "Do you believe women should be treated equally". And then if more than 50% of them say no we can talk about 'most Muslim men'.

I could answer your impressions with mine but it would be a waste of time & typing. All the Muslim men I know believe women should be treated equally. I have never heard anyone I know personally state otherwise to my face. So I could generalize on that basis & you could generalize based on what you saw or read or whatever. And we could argue to the death to achieve what exactly?

In the absence of reliable statistics I'd rather not waste my time or yours.

"Do you think the Jew's are the sons of Apes & Pigs too or do you feel they are your equal?"

You know I find that question insulting & irritating. You're asking me if I'm a racist?Go to hell.

Excuse me for not being terribly interested in reading Daniel Pipes. The clash of civilizations just bores me most of the time. If you're into Daniel Pipes then you'll have to find someone else to clash with. Life is too short & I'll be too busy enjoying mine.

 

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