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Thursday, June 23, 2005

The MB: Our local Flip Floppers?

I just read Al Jazeera's Interview with Mahdi Akef, the MB's "Murshid" and spokesperson, where he calims that they are already in power. It's pretty amusing. Really, it is. Take this exchange for example: Aljazeera.net: You are officially banned as a party, yet you have some influence in parliament and the Shura Council. Some media refer to you as banned, yet tolerated by the Egyptian government. What is your relationship with the Egyptian government? Mahdi Akef: Dictator governments and regimes have their own terms that they like very much to enforce on the press and the media. At the beginning, the government used to call us a disbanded group. Then they called us a banned group. And I say to them the Muslim brotherhood is an Islamic organisation that acquires its legitimacy from the masses. This is the real democracy; the Muslim brotherhood has the majority of the Egyptian people. The proof is in the election results whether in syndicates or in commissions - the Muslim Brotherhood wins a majority. And they still call us a banned group despite all the media that are interviewing us. Yes, they might support you on principle, but they don't get to chose you. What you are talking about is not democracy, it's popularity. It becomes democracy when those you claim support your organization get to chose its leader and then support him. No one elected Akef, and his organization is only interested in democracy as long as it gets in power. Or am i wrong here? Now, back to the interview.. There are many media and political pundits who say they fear you coming to power because you would install an Iranian-style theocracy. Is this true? We are in Egypt and we have our own vision and our own culture, and our own way of thinking and principles that serve the interest of this nation. But those who sit on fancy chairs and say words that they themselves don't understand, we don't care about them. There are offices that get paid only to insult, criticise and attack the Ikhwan (Brotherhood) and all that we say and do. Notice how he speaks for all egyptians here? Like the MB vision is that of the Egyptian people, and as if their way of thinking is our way of thinking, and anyone who says different is an ignorant elitist who gets paid to defame the MB and should be ignored. Now, doesn't that sound exactly like the current rhetoric of the Egyptian Government and the Mubarak People? That they represent the egyptian people and anyone who critisizes them is nothing but either ignorant or a paid defamer that should be ignored? Isn't that something? Anyway... What role will minorities - Christian, Jewish, and other non-Muslims play in society in your view? We follow our religion and profit in dealing with all people in a respectful way. Islam dignifies Christians and Jews and we hope they treat us the same way. The ignorance of people is what is causing a grudge among them and not their religion. Ok, why did i find this part to be kind of scary? Does this mean that Jews and christians won't be allowed to hold posts of power? Does that mean they will have to pay a Jizzyah for protection? Does that mean that anyone who is not Christian or Jewish will be considerd an Infidel automatically? That's what Islam says, right? And now to my favorite part of the Interview, where you finally see why I don't trust the MB and consider them a bunch of Hypocrites who will do anything to get into power. This is where the MB shows their Flip Flopping nature. Ready? Okay! Flip: How do you view the Kifaya (Enough) and other pro-reform movements in Egyptian politics? Are you working with them to pressure the Egyptian government to institute vital changes to the electoral law? We are not against any of these movements; on the contrary, we rather agree with them. We all work and call for reform and when their demands meet our demands I encourage and support them. But I never stand against them even when our demands differ. The Ikhwan respect all parties and trends despite their differences. LOL! Oh really? Flop: Habib explained that the government will make use of showing citizen's opposition to foreign and American pressure, in particular for maintaining the political change in Egypt where President Hosni Mubarak assumed power since 1981. He added that the demonstration will send a message to the authorities stating that in order to be able to withstand the American pressures you have to "accelerate reforms." The deputy chairman of the Muslim Brothers described the activities if the Egyptian movement for the change "Kefaya" (Enough), which is dominated by liberals and leftists with few Islamists, as a mere parade rather that an organized group. So, it's a respected Parade then? LoL Those people are Unbelievable!

9 Comments:

At 6/23/2005 06:03:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

This post you got here isn’t your finest work. While I don’t personally sympathize with the MB it is obvious that they have A LOT of internal support. That’s not my issue with this post though. My issue is that you seem to have the same intolerance for them as you claim they have for you. No benefit of the doubt either. Example…

What role will minorities - Christian, Jewish, and other non-Muslims play in society in your view?

We follow our religion and profit in dealing with all people in a respectful way. Islam dignifies Christians and Jews and we hope they treat us the same way. The ignorance of people is what is causing a grudge among them and not their religion.

Your reply to that;

“Ok, why did I find this part to be kind of scary? Does this mean that Jews and Christians won't be allowed to hold posts of power? Does that mean they will have to pay a Jizzyah for protection? Does that mean that anyone who is not Christian or Jewish will be considered an Infidel automatically? That's what Islam says, right?”

You got that from that? That’s silly.

Come on man what the hell.

We sadly fear each other too much.

Karim Elsahy

 
At 6/23/2005 02:36:00 PM, Anonymous Tina said...

I think a lot of people were members of the MB because there were not a lot of choices out there. Once the Egyptian people begin to seriously dialog on this, everyone will drift toward the parties that most represent their vision of the future.

Also, Iraq continues to make progress, despite the best efforts of the terrorist. The Iraqi dinar is gaining strength and stability and the lives of the Iraqis are improving by leaps and bounds. As the Egyptian people see this, they will want the same. After all, Egypt too is a nation rich in intelligent, educated people just as the Iraqis are.

 
At 6/23/2005 03:42:00 PM, Blogger Chip Nelson said...

If you ever find yourself in South Carolina, stop by for a game of pool and a beer. I promise not to talk politics, you promise to not run back to where problems are more important than contentment.

 
At 6/23/2005 07:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a believer but not very religious, that said I'm ready to join a Christian Crusaders Brotherhood, purely out of self defense, mind you!

Ricardo

 
At 6/25/2005 11:33:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Karim ElSahy.

What a retarded and complexed post. You're logic is even worse than that of the MB.

 
At 6/25/2005 07:58:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

I also am intolerant of anybody who wants to mix religion and government. Karim Elsahy says Islam "dignifies" Christians and Jews, whcih is a nice sentiment, but it unfortunately seems to be disconneted from reality. Until moslems can control Jihadists who want to dignify Christians and Jews by killing them, please keep Islam away from government offices.

Or don't. Your choice. Choose wisely :)

 
At 6/26/2005 06:31:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

Karim Elsahy didn’t say that Programmer Craig, I was quoting his post. “Until Moslems can control Jihadists who want to dignify Christians and Jews by killing them” is true but in the wrong tense. It is our, the Muslims, responsibility to control and reign in these sick bastards. We certainly need to clean house. But don’t forget that throughout history the Jews never had it better than in the Muslim and Arab world. While they were prosecuted again and again throughout Christian Europe they were given freedom and self determination from Spain to China.

Karim Elsahy

 
At 6/26/2005 03:29:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Well, I agree with you there, Karim... Christians have treated people really badly in the past. Not least, each other, especially during the Inquisition and the Protestant revolts. And burning heretics at the stake... can religious people treat their fellow human beings any worse?

But that's why we don't give Christians a place in government anymore :)

 
At 6/27/2005 06:17:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

”that's why we don't give Christians a place in government anymore”

um, you American?

Karim Elsahy ;)

 

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