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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

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Monday, June 27, 2005

Philosophical question thread

My question is this: Which is the scarier thought? 1) That God doesn't exist? Or 2) That God exists and doesn't care? I am Just curious! Don't mean to offend anyone and i am sorry if i did!


At 6/27/2005 04:42:00 AM, Blogger Eman M said...

What about adding:

3) God exists and cares but I don't care

4)God exists and cares but I don't know

At 6/27/2005 06:17:00 AM, Anonymous brenda said...

God exists and has given us free will otherwise what is the point? The only way that we can truly come back to God is to come back on our own. We have the power to deal with the world's tragedies to prevent them and heal them, but we choose not to. God's waiting. Just my two cents.

At 6/27/2005 06:32:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

Guys, i am not contesting god's existance or free will or anything. It's a simple abstract question that i am wondering about. So please just tell me which one you find personally scarier: A nonexistnat God, or One that exists but doesn't care?

At 6/27/2005 07:54:00 AM, Blogger Jeffrey said...

As an atheist, I believe in a nonexistent God. For the sake of argument, I would be pissed off if there really were a God and he was sitting up there as ...

*knock knock*

God: Who's there?

Swarthy Stranger: Mohammed Atta.

God: What do you want?

Swarthy Stranger: Listen, I want the 72 Virgins! Man, I called out your name as I handed out your justice.

God: My justice?! Who the fuck are YOU?

Swarthy Stranger: You curse ME, you old bastard? I'll ram a jet up your arse. I'm Mohammed ATTA! Everyone fears me!

God: *takes a red-hot iron rod and forces it into Mohammed Atta's anus and shoves it up through his torso, the rod finally reappaearing out of his mouth* You little shit kill THREE THOUSAND INNOCENT SOULS and you have the nerve to knock on my door?!! Little fucking worm. Listen, there is a Great Satan and you're going to meet him NOW. *tosses skewered Mohammed Atta down into Hell*


At 6/27/2005 09:45:00 AM, Anonymous Don Cox said...

Please define the word "exists". Also, it might be more scary if God doesn't care but Satan does.

At 6/27/2005 11:28:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

I think this guy Jeffry is scarier than either one

At 6/27/2005 12:05:00 PM, Blogger Jeffrey said...



Hey, your hands are shaking.

Feel the power!


At 6/27/2005 02:17:00 PM, Blogger ramezhanna said...

i guess neither are scary, if he doesn't care it's as bad as doesn't care so i wouldn't give a shit and go find something better to beleive in

At 6/27/2005 02:33:00 PM, Blogger gbaikie said...

Neither are scary.
I'm agnostic.
But I'm kind of hoping I won't remain one.
I'm not an athesist- I think that belief that god doesn't exist is very improbable. But what I believe is probably scarier than either of your choices. I believe that after dying you won't know the answer to either of these choices.

In other words you will not have any more certainty about whether god exists or not. You might yearn for your "clear insight" you appeared to have when you were living. So death *could be* an existance which is confusing- a realm in which getting lost is very easy [though this doesn't mean you are lost or will get lost, but rather it is fairly easy to do].
You have false gods here, you will have false gods *there*. The condition of time is property of living existance. Mirrors are a properties belonging to the living existance. In other words I don't think you get these questions answered in death, I think you get these answers in living.
After death you may not know that you even exist- nevermind God.

So, I guess I lean toward the budhha type belief, which is briefly: many lifetimes and life is somewhere where you **might** gain enlightenment.
One more aspect, I believe that Muslims, Mormons, or the athesists if they are believers do go to their heaven. But I don't think there is a shortage of heavens or gods.
But I guess the real question is the One God thing. I suspect that this God doesn't leave you, He is with you forever*, you don't need to die to "meet Him", you can never leave Him. And of course "It's" not a he or a she.
I doubt whether you can ever* "go see & meet God". But you could see and meet lots of gods and heavens.

*Time is strange thing [our "normal" concept of time btw is a relatively recent concept]. When I say things like "forever" or "ever", I don't think I'm exaggerating anything.

At 6/27/2005 04:43:00 PM, Blogger gatorbait said...

This is a tough one to speak about. Sometime, when something hideous happens , like some buddy skinned alive by the little bastards and all you can do is listen to him scream or a child contracting a hideous form of cancer, made me question God's existance or even his caring. Yet, some miracle happens, saving a plane full of people or some kid suddenly recovers from the aforementioned horror, then one has to say ,there is the merciful God I had once believed in. I flat don't know.

I will say, I think God/Allah has a weird sense of humor.

At 6/27/2005 08:03:00 PM, Anonymous Tina said...

I don't think either one of those things are scary because they are not even remotely possible to me.

I think that God does exist and that he does care, but just not about the same things we care about, or at least not in the same way.

Face it, why would God worry about people dying if He knows good and well that all death is, is leaving one room and entering another.

The one thing that really scares me? Disappointing God.

At 6/27/2005 10:18:00 PM, Blogger haal said...

At this moment, I think That God exists and doesn't care is more scary.

At 6/27/2005 10:39:00 PM, Anonymous zorgalina@mindspring.com said...

scarier that God doesn't care after giving life and intelligence to creatures, what would God be existing for else than to care?

At 6/28/2005 04:29:00 AM, Anonymous DNA said...

I second Haal - the scariest is that if God exists and doesn't care:

- The agnostics have it wrong
- The athiests have it wrong
- The Jews, Christians and Muslims have it ALL wrong
- The Buddhists, Hindus and Shintos have it wrong

That's 98% of the world's population wrong. If 98% of the world is wrong, what's to say what' right?

At 6/28/2005 08:53:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

I agree that it's scarier that God exists and doesn't care. As for the purpose thing, i could come up with a reason: Entertainment. Being God must be boring, with being eternal and all knowing. He must find his amusement somewhere. So create Earth, create people, and add idiots and assholes to keep them interesting, give them religions that contradict eachotehr and their natures and their instincts and just watch them go at it. 6 billion crazy bastards running on their impulses and rationalizing their actions later without actual purpose or plan. It must be the greatest reality TV show ever, with all the sex, conflict, drama and violence. You then add a little production and script improvments (senseless death here, natural catastrophie there, a new virus perhaps) when things get boring. You know, the psycho kids who use magnifuying glass to burn ants or use water to flood their farms, and then chose which to let go and which to stomp using their feet for amusement's sake? Same concept almost, only on a much larger scale.

It would explain why the world is the way it is, and the whole business with the conflict with Satan, heaven and Hell, the major religions, the new diseases, the crazy bastards, our constnat drive for self-destruction, the senlessness of it all and why John Lennon gets to die and Yoko Ono gets to live. When you think about it, it's all rather amusing, if it wasn't scary.

By the way, i don't necessarily believe that God exists and doesn;t care, nor do i actually mean to say that God is a psycho kid. I am just being rhetorical is all, u know, viewing it in an abstract way!

My friend Julia, when i asked her about that question, she was like "That's a cute idea. To think i am amusing God. That's pretty damn cool!". If you find her answer puzzeling, well, don't. She is a theatre major, and to for her to think that God is her audience, well, u get the idea.

The reason why i asked this questions is because every athiest i've met uses the following reasoning " God doesn't really exist because there is so much random suffering in the world, and that can't happen with a Good God in charge, so he must not exist!" The idea that there might a god that didn;t care was so horrible in their minds that they would rather believe he doesn;t exist then that otehr option. I wanted to know if people saw it the same way is all! What pisses me off is that most people avoided the question. Grrrrrrrr

At 6/28/2005 05:38:00 PM, Blogger gbaikie said...

Well, how can God not care and be watching?
I mean if God create Earth, but later creates another planet [or another "project"] which finds more interesting leaving earth in some dusty corner, "forgotten", that is higher degree of not caring.
I assumed your orginal question implied even less caring, interest, or concern.
But any of your two options implies [at least slightly] a personification of God, that God is at some location and you could visit the guy or isn't in a location in which can visit and therefore you assume doesn't exist.

I see any personification of God as parable given so people can understand the general idea.
But if this was actually true and God was sitting on some kind of throne- whether the throne is vacate or God treats you as though He were a govt employee at dept of motor vehicles.
This isn't scary, it's perhaps a bit sad or funny:)

Let me put it differently, suppose this "uncaring god" were to wave wand, thereafter you knew all you ever wanted to know about plus this made you all knowing to boot. Would this be an "uncaring god"?
Now, I suppose this wand could be a stupid stick or it could fill you knowledge, but I meant was the latter.
Aren't you assuming the caring god means a Some Thing which would alter your present view that life on planet earth is actually meaningless, into something which has meaning and a purpose?

Or would a caring god, hand you a book, titled "Your Life" written by God himself. Which was an absolutely brillantly written biography which is all about you.
[of course a book is so old fashion, it could be a matrix/full blown virtual reality with a bunch options. Of course this could so "lifelike" that you forget you are in your story instead of "real life". One of the options could a "interactive mode" allowing you to change your story. You also get to choose the difficulty level: easy, medium, or advanced.]

At 6/29/2005 12:46:00 AM, Blogger Kelli said...

Yep, I avoided the question. I just didn't see either as an option so figured no sense respond.
So grrrr to you too. :)

At 6/29/2005 08:55:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

Silly monkey, trix are for kids

At 6/30/2005 03:43:00 PM, Blogger Josie said...

I say, they're both equally scary.


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