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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Sunday, January 29, 2006

Hamas wins, the palestinians lose!

So the palestinian elections came and went, and Hamas won by a landslide. Fantastic. The palestinians have truly shot themselves in the foot this time. Given how the US and the majority of the european countries view Hamas as a terrorist organization- as they should- it's not hard to imagine them cutting off all aid to the palestinian government completely. They chose their bed, so they might as well lie in it. What's interesting are all of those voices who claim that Hamas is going to get moderate once they are in power. That they will have to compromise and therefore the aid should not be cut. Those people are delusional of course, and are not listening to what Hamas' leader has to say about this. But to give you the short and sweet version, it's "Death to Israel, Death to the US, the armed struggle will continue till the last martyr, blah blah blah". Strong words coming from a leader so courageous that has to reside in Syria to avoid getting killed. Inspiring, no? I used to believe that the continuation of the peace process rested more on the upcoming israeli elections than the palestinian one, but now the whole thing is decided: There will be no peace process, since Hamas is not interested in peace. This could get even worse if Hamas did any attacks between now and the elections, because that may just give the Netenyaho Likud camp the kind of boost that they need to win this election. Talk about your nightmare scenario: Hamas vs. Netenyaho. The worst both sides have to offer. For a lack of better words, they are made for eachother. They have so much in common, that in an ideal world, they would be dating. Oh well...

20 Comments:

At 1/29/2006 06:37:00 AM, Blogger Freedom for Egyptians said...

حمد لله على السلامة.
Hope you had a nice trip back home.
كنا على وشك بدء حملة البحث.
FFE

 
At 1/29/2006 10:01:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

I think the Palestinians can forget about a country for the next 10 years at least, while Hamas ruin them even more & probably fatah will start a civil war, anyway, their situation could not be more bleak.
Khaled Mesh3l yesterday said they want to build an army!! an ARMY? can someone please tell me where will they get Billions of $ to build an army?
who will supply them with weapons- Fighter Planes- Tanks- APC- Spare parts when they dont control their air space or their surrounding borders????
ahh yes, its just talk to divert the people from the real issues.

 
At 1/29/2006 10:08:00 AM, Anonymous AhmedT said...

This "Chicken Little" attitude of the sky is falling coz the palestinians are too darn stupid to choose and we all know better is really insulting !

The Palestinian people are giving the only alternative they know a chance, an alternative that has been present in their lives and tangible to them (exactly like the Egyptians voted to the Islamic Brotherhood). I agree these alternatives might not seem attractive to a lot of us but it was the result of a clean political process and if the Palestinians are really shooting themselves in the foot then the only way they will understand the consequences of their choices is if their foot actually starts hurting.

Let political evolution take its course. The West didn't reach where they are now after they woke up one shinny morning and decided to be civilized.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very suspicious of Hamas's ability to promote anything but more misery to their people, but sometimes things have to hurt before they start getting better and this is exactly what we need.

 
At 1/29/2006 11:25:00 AM, Blogger OmAr said...

first of all, i must say that i'm not a huge fan of Hamas, but frankly, i see lots of ignorant ideas about them, your blog for example,
the idea of that the palestinians shoot themselves in the foot is so rude...i conclude that palestinians are bunch of stupids!! which is definitely not the case ,

Hamas is provideing food, health care, and education to so many palestinians and has a huge number of supporters because they are very kind to people.

Khaled mesh'al is in syria because he is banned from entering the west bank after he had almost been killed in amman..
I think if you listened to his speech well, you wil conclude the change in Hamas' policey

The aids are stopped since dec 2005 if you think they are still on..long before Hamas' slideland victory..
another thing to say, that is, how come that you consider Hamas' victory will stop the peace process, i guess you think there's still any peace agreement going on!!!
I've posted more

 
At 1/29/2006 06:41:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Omar,

I have to agree with you. There are a lot of ignorant people on this site that claims knowledge about Palestinians.

The don't have a clue and they call the shots and anyone who knows little about the truth about the Palestinians can say what you just said.

Glad to see you blogging man :) enjoyed reading your blog very much.

 
At 1/29/2006 06:58:00 PM, Blogger Ron Larson said...

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

This was inevitable. It has everything to do with the corruption and incompetence of Arafat's PA, not the Hamas position on relations with Israel.

To me, this wasn't so much that Hamas was voted IN, as much as it was voting Fatah OUT.

The bottom line is that Fatah hasn't done a damn thing for the average Palastinian. No wonder the voters got rid of them.

However.... the party they voted in certainly has a lot of baggage. Worse case senario, in the long run it will harm them more than hurt them.

But there might be a silver linging to this. Since Fatah got their asses handed to them on a platter, they might actually reform and clean up their act. If they do they, then they could win back they government with a combination of people being tired of Hamas' crap and a belief the Fatah has reformed.

Of course this assumes (a) the Fatah does reform, and (b) Hamas allows free and fair elections in the future.

Future elections are questionable. Simply look at Iran. They revolted, threw out the hated Shah, installed an Islamic government, and things have been tits-up ever since. The ruling party, which sponsors and inspires Hamas, does not allow moderate opposition.

Regarding future Palastinian relations with Israel. There isn't going to be any. So this will give Israel the perfect excuse to finish up the wall on their terms.

Personally, I am tired of this never-ending limbo-land status of settlments, cross-claims, etc, etc. Israel was smart to get their settlements out of Gaza. They need to do the same in the West Bank, finish up the wall, and stay behind it. This neither here-no-there crap is for the birds.

I also wish to see all parties denied claim to Jerusalum as a capital or terrority. The old city should be turned into a UN controlled world-heritage site where no weapons are allowed in, but people can come worship all they want.

It is time to sort this shit out once and for all.

 
At 1/29/2006 08:50:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Expect more misery and bloodshed. Good job palestinians!

 
At 1/29/2006 10:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the reports I've seen on BBC,Hamas has done a lot to improve the lives of the Palestinians in practical ways.That undoubtedly won them some votes,but the corruption of Fatah leaders probably swayed most voters.I suppose there are now three democracies in the Middle East:Israel,Iraq and Palestine.

 
At 1/30/2006 06:38:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

To those who think HAmas provides food & health care etc etc.
When the PA who were elected back then, democractically, was engaging in talks with Israel, Hamas was screwing it up for them by striking Israel & sending suicide bombers while knowing they were undermining the PA efforts to do anything. Whever Israel killed one of their members, they wouldretaliate knowing that the ISraelis would then take measures that affected Palestinians more than anyone else. This tit for tat attitude was on purpose, they simply wanted power & wanted it alone.
Egypt tried to rally the different militant groups to sign an agreement to atleast unify their efforts but failed 3 times because of the intransigence of the militans.
& to omar who thinks there isnt a peace process going on, with Hamas you wont see anything at all because things will deteriorate to the worse & you will look back at the days of arafat piror to wye2000 & lamenting the chances missed.
You & twosret forget in your cockiness that in the mid seventies the idea of peace talks was an act treason, how many said it wont acheive anything? You forget that in 1987 arafat saying he would rather cut off his right arm than to ac cept the UN res 242 & he will never recognise Israel till he backed 180 degrees. If Hamas doesnt do the same, they are destined to fail, so what is the option then mr.Omar for Hamas in your opinion? build an army like their leader announced in damascuss just 2 days ago & then today another one calls for the International community not to cut aid to them & they promise( chuckle chuckle) they will not use it for weapons, yeah right!!
Hamas is just after power not after peace. they will get corrupt like the PA & take the long path to chaos like others if they keep with this hard stance, but anyway, time will tell & we will see the events unfold.

 
At 1/30/2006 06:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Omar
What change in Policy??? are you high on something, didnt you hear the guy speak of building an army!! with what money may i ask? & from whom will hamas buy it & how the hell will they bring it in?
change of policy you mean in terms of more rhetoric , extreme hardline & bloody violence perhaps.

 
At 1/30/2006 02:43:00 PM, Blogger OmAr said...

hi agian,
jokerman you started with blaiming me for the fact that Hamas is providing food etc etc,,you didn't continue!!,,anyhow, you must know that i am not one of Hamas' members neither supporters, what i'm saying is that i must not close my eyes to anything attaks Hamas because i don't like them...so many faulty ideas have been proposed, if u don't agree with that, ur absolutley wrong!!

the biggest example of those ideas is the fact that Hamas' policey and language haven't changed significantly, what is wrong with u people!?...

and for god's sake man! u say that Hamas wants power and wants it alone!!!now that, i suppose, is true, why on earth then Hamas is shouting every hour calling for other parties to participate in the new goverment???

about the peace process; i concluded from you that the so-called peace agreements and the recognition of israel have achieved great things to the palestinians..like what? if what arafat did brought so many benefits to the lives of palestinians, then why did the Intifada started??...i must agree that any war with israel will vanish the palestinians...so, why not have a new face in the negotiations, a new agenda that at least will try to ramain offensive for a little while

jokerman, i'm palestinian, and i'm influnced directly by Hamas, and i think that i will elect them again if time goes backward

let us be optimistic, i'm not trying to become ur enemy,

 
At 1/30/2006 07:51:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

Hamas lost out the most here.
Sam
Bibi will govern just like Kadima. He's all talk and just a power hungary arrogant guy. I told you that. He'd end out being worse for Israel from that perspective. If I wanted more land to be given away sooner and for nothing and I were Arab I'd be rooting for Bibi over Kadima or Peretz. As I told you Sharon is brilliant realist just like Sadat was. Bibi is just a smarter, less corrupt version (not saying much) of Ereket and Queria.

Ron Larsen -
If I wanted to ruin a city the 1rst thing I would do is 'turn it over' to the UN. Get real that will NEVER happen nor should it. Further everyone has been able to worship ONLY since 67.

Eastern Arab shopkeepers are well aware how beneficial Israeli sovereignty has been and thats why many protested against the Camp David proposal in June of 2000. When the PLO started the Intifadah remember they sent in goons to force them to close initially.


A)
Now they can't play the oppressed minority going against the massive corruption and "sell out" Israeli and American stooges - Fatah. They have to govern, make tough decisions and answer to the general public where there will always be unhappy people regardless. Lots of luck to them on that.
B)
Fatah still calls for the destuction of Israel in their charter. No, they NEVER CHANGED it.
Every act in Arabic the elementary and high school textbooks, commercials, cartoons, camps etc... all teach Jihad, suicide 'martyrdom' and the destuction of Israel from a nationalistic and Koranic perspective. Fatah from Tunis is the one who mainstreamed suicide bombing since Oslo. It used to be mainly only Hamas 'radicals' 10 years ago.
C)
Fatah is a disgustingly bunch of corrupt stealing bunch of liars - especially the Tunis gang who the Palestinians HATE. Abbas has virtually no clout whatsoever on the street. Hamas goons are honest about their intentions at least and don't steal "yet". Their other agenda like shooting men and women walking in the park is a 'minor' concern.
D)
Western Liberals now lose.
Fatah still teaches Israel's destuction in every act they perform at home.. and their charter was NEVER changed. Now these Western Libs can't with a straight face paint fantasies about the intentions of Hamas.
E)
Hamas needs misery and poverty.
Without it they can't perform charities that curry them favor and the ability to preach their message. So now they are in a dilemma? Build hospitals, housing and schools? or an army, arms and bigger lavish Mosques? They'll probably do a little of the former and more of the latter.

 
At 1/30/2006 07:57:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

And NO Hamas won't modify anything. They'll just try to slightly play a little of the game Arafat and the Fatah gang perfected but very carefully so that their enemies can't call them 'sell outs' at home.
You'll get 1 of the fake truces declared again, like the 1 they still claim is in effect subject to Israel "meeting some comical demands".....

Like I told Sandman, Israel finishes the wall and dismantles some of the settlements and the best you can hope for is a sitation like Northern Ireland in 30 years. There is NO PEACE here.

 
At 1/30/2006 08:23:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

Jacoby's article said about the same thing I just did.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19014_Hamas_News_is_Good_News&only

 
At 1/30/2006 09:05:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

"You'll get 1 of the fake truces declared again"

I don't think anybody is going to have a truce with Hamas. The US will certainly not be a part of that, in any case. Conid has already said that the US is ending all aid to Palestine, but will continue to "consider" humanitarian aid on a case by case basis.

I think the election of Hamas is represents an end to pretenses. So, I think that's good... kind of. Like the Iranian's electing a President who actually says what he really means, instead of the double-speak we have gotten so much of the last... who knows how long?

I agree with you on at least one thing, though, Scorekeeper. Ther's no peace process. There is a unilateral disengagement process.

 
At 1/30/2006 09:10:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

Read Jacoby's article it says it all.
However, they'll still send money over there. Abbas will just guide them on what to say at a few keypoints so that the EU and State Dept can save "face" and still send in the money with the same "promises" about where it will go. Now it will just get divided by 2 camps instead of just the old guard Tunis Mafia.

 
At 1/31/2006 06:28:00 AM, Blogger Twosret said...

Can't stop laughing reading some comments here. So the Palestinians elects with complete freedom and democratic process under occupation and the whole world is against their choice.

You people are so funny.

 
At 1/31/2006 11:54:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

We're allowed to be against their choice, Twosret :)

The whole world was against America's choice too!

Perosnally, I'm not "against" their choice though. I think it's good that they elected Hamas.

 
At 1/31/2006 01:52:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

I'm not against their choice at all. I'm glad Hamas won. Though they won bcs Fatah are all corrupt thieves they also won bcs they are upfront about their intentions.
Now there is no hiding what the main zeitgeist of the Palestinian Street is. No more bullshit speeches by Marty Indyk or Thomas Friedman about how the majority of Palestinians want "peace" (whatever that means) etc...

 
At 2/02/2006 03:45:00 AM, Anonymous Andrew Brehm said...

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic consecration for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered; it, or any part of it, should not be given up," the Hamas charter states.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_palestinians

Palazzi believes that Israel exists by "divine right" and that the Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there. In addition, it is predicted that before the end of days, God will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of the Land, gathering them from the different countries and nations (Sura 17:104).

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1138622518546&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


NOW, can SOMEBODY please make Hamas read the Qur'an?

It appears that these day the only qualification needed to become a good Muslim is ignorance of the prophet's words.

Maybe Israel should add an appropriate quote from the Qur'an to her flag, like some Arab countries have done.

(Could a Muslim burn the Israeli flag if it quoted a sura from the Qur'an that says that Israel is Jewish land? If G-d kills such a Muslim as punishment for desecrating a sura, does the Muslim count as a martyr?)

 

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