Sounding like republicans...
Oh boy! You know it's getting pretty bad when the europeans start sounding like republicans. Muslims who wish to live under a system of sharia law should leave Britain, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality suggested yesterday. The chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality said that. Please note that. LOL
Speaking in the wake of demonstrations against Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad, Sir Trevor Phillips said those living in the UK had to accept that British values include a commitment to freedom of speech, even if that means offending people.
"What some minorities have to accept is that there are certain central things we all agree about, which are about the way we treat each other - that we have an attachment to democracy, that we sort things out by voting not by violence and intimidation, that we tolerate things that we don't like," he told ITV1's Jonathan Dimbleby programme. "Short of people menacing and threatening each other, we have freedom of expression. We allow people to offend each other."
[...] He rejected the idea that British Muslims should be allowed to live under sharia law in their communities. "I don't think that's conceivable," he said. "We have one set of laws ... and that's the end of the story. If you want to have laws decided in another way, you have to live somewhere else." Nice! See where saying shit like that gets you? Britain, love it or leave it!
posted by The Sandmonkey @ 2/28/2006 04:28:00 AM
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India allows Sharia courts to operate with legitimacy. And then the world gets international incidents because Indian courts pass a death sentence on Danish nationals, who live in Denmark, for things they did in Denmark. That were perfectly legal in Denmark.
If you want to live under Sharia law, you're an idiot. But besides being an idiot, you are not welcome in the western world. You *are* welcome in India. So, move to India! Problem solved.
Hi Sandmonkey.
Am I mistaken if I read your “Sounding like Republicans” like you disapprove, when Sir Trevor Phillips says people wanting to live under the Sharia law have to find it elsewhere outside Brittan? Also it seems that you think it’s odd that a man, who is chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, is saying something like that. I sure don’t. If a group of people, minoraty or not, black, white or yellow wants to live by religious laws, where an Imam, priest or pope messures out the punisments or decide how people should live, I agree absolutely with Sir Trevor Phillips – leave Brittan. It has nothing to do with racism, but with common sense, and also I think its commen sense, that people in his posision not have to agree in everything, which comes from minoraties, just because they are minoraties???.
If you are shia, and do something that - in the eyes of the in that area ruling imam – is wrong, then you risk to have 10 blows with a stick if he is in a good mood, 20 blows if he is in a bad mood. How can this be accepted in a contry, where it is against the “political” law to punish anyone by beating???
Sandmonkey, if you were a political factor in UK, what would YOU say to imams / people, who want to introduce Sharia law in Brittan?
Kiki
Sandmonkey???
Have you been drinking alcohol or worse - aren’t you alone?
Kiki
Prup, you said "Middle Eastern bloggers who take solidly liberal positions on Democracy, Freedom of Speech, freedom from Religious interference in people's lives, etc, at the same time buy into the idea that it is REPUBLICANS that support these things, and that liberals and Democrats, somehow, oppose them.", well, don't worry Prup, those who buy into the idea that the republicans are really for freedom and democracy and peace, are very few ( Sandmonkey's a strange anomaly), any person with one single neuron left in his brain knows that liberals (which doesn't mean the democrats neccessarily) are for democracy, freedom of speech, peace, love and understanding while the conservatives and republicans are, to rephrase your opinion in more impolite terms, are war and hate mongering lying ignorant racist religious fanatic sobs, people who have much more in common with the taliban and other fanatics through out the world than they have with Jefferson and Franklin.
Lessee...
Jim Crow Laws. Created by? Democrats.
The attempt to silence the Swift Vets and an Entire TV company?
Democrats.
9 out of 10 violent acts against people and/or locations in the last election?
By Democrats.
The Civil Rights Act?
97% of Republicans voted for it.
80% of Democrats (and this is After a bunch of racists left the party. Don't say much, do it?)
The Original Civil Rights Act in the late 1800s?
Originated by Republicans.
Not to mention outright Lies like Bush being held responsible for not signing Kyoto. Not after 100% of Democrat Senators voted against it (joining their more sensible brethern on the Right), and then Clinton said not another word about it for three years... knowing full well what it would do to the economy if he had put it into effect. (note: good article about this just this week, on TechCentral. Europe is paying thru the nose for Kyoto)
And the list goes on. And On. And On...
Well Hello Waterdragon!
This Republican backs Mr. Trevor in full ;) I am wondering what kinds of demeaning, derogatory, destructive, demonizing things the Left is saying about him these days.
~Gary
What people think they can emigrate to another country, another society and be able to impose their own laws? Arrogance supreme. I agree with this person in Britain....hit the road jack, and don't you come back, no more, no more, no more, no more....
Joanne
At the beginning of the week both the Australian Prime Minister and the Treasurer said the same thing. The usual suspects started howls of protest but got nowhere..people have had enough of their shit. Of course the fact that all these leaders are saying this is proof yet again of the Jewish conspiracy. Yawn, f*****g yawn.
Islam is a religion, so critics may be bigots and intolerant but they are not necessarily racist. That requires a racial criticism rather than one regarding religion.
Britain is a democracy with laws that reinforce their way of life and reflect their culture. Should you be living in Britain and it does not suit your beliefs or state of mind then you are not forced into staying. You are welcome to leave.
Nowadays I think the reverse is also true. Most countries would be proud to have someone move to their country if that person subscribed to the laws of that country and their way of life.
Anonymous,
If you want to mention Democratic attempts at silencing, you would do well mentioning some of the horrific Republican ones as well.
Like the My Lai massacre cover up, spearheaded by our very own Colin Powell.
If I was, say, an egyptian, I would not care too much, whether democrats or republicans supported freedom of speech in the US. I would care, who supported freedom of speech in the middle east. And it does seem to me that that party is the republicans, correct me if I am wrong.
The peoples of the former east bloc countries also tended to be rather fond of Reagan and Mrs Thatcher for much the same reasons
Prup, out of your republican list, the only one I agree with you on is Chuck Hagel, plus John Mccain and John Sununun ( It really beats why they're even republicans).
Regarding the other right wing egyptian bloggers you've mentioned, I've never tried freedom for egyptians (name's too melodramatic for me, and to be fair, Mubarak with all his fallibilities acknowledged is not a Stalin or a Saddam, not even close, which the name of her blog implies I persume), as for Nadz, I read what she wrote only once, and couldn't come up with any other conclusion other than she's a clear cut nut job, try TomanBay and Highlander and OneArabWorld, they're quiet reasonable.
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