Hamas indoctrinates children? Nooo!
People who support Hamas and think it should be given a fair chance are not really reading up on the organization. For them I give this article and those pictures. Enjoy!
The Hamas Youth everybody.
posted by The Sandmonkey @ 2/15/2006 03:26:00 AM
39 Comments:
How old are those kids? 5? 6?
The palestinians are SICK SICK SICK!
Whatever happened to the Velveteen Rabbit?
Oh, this is just horrible, reminds me of children waving little american flags and thinging the natinal anthem.... just horrible!
ahmad, I think there is a small difference in children showing pride in ones country versus children calling for the death of other countries.
i hate to use these anologies, but can someone say "hitler youth"
Gee, we never took field trips like this when I was a kid. They just kept sending us to the natural history museum with a sack lunch!
'thinging the natinal anthem'
Watch that lisp, Aman.
BTW, when's the last time you saw little kids in America, wearing Bomb belts?
Hitler youth was my first thoguht also. Sad isn't it. Who could care so little for thier children to use them in this manner?
history repeats itsself
Hitler Jugend again and people cannot see it!
Posting is being difficult.
Usually I try to only read.
This time I have to contribute.
Figuring the best way to see the future is to look at the children.
What are they being taught?
In the US they are officially being taught tolerance.
Let's have a look about, shall we?
http://www.memritv.org/
Search on the clip number to either watch the vidio or read the transcript.
906
Iranian Animated Film for Children Promotes Suicide Bombings
907
Children Drive Cruel Israeli Soldiers Away Using Eggplant Grenades in an Iranian Animated Movie
908
Palestinian Children Clash with an Israeli Soldier in an Iranian Animated Movie
807
Al-Arabiya TV Special on the Culture of Martyrdom and Suicide Bombers
Eggplant grenades sounds yummy, anonymous. ;)
@elengil, adopt a Palestinian or Iranian kid :)
Maybe I need a new pair of glasses, because I don't any see bomb belts in the photos!
But still I don't see why you people angry cause they are waving flags and holding banners!!!
Oh I know I know, you guys only like freedom and democracy when its outcome is for your interest, but if it brings Hamas to power or MB it's bad.
This is so lame...
The book of Proverbs (Bible) says an interesting thing about it
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. (Pv. 22:6)
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ahmad said...
“Oh I know I know, you guys only like freedom and democracy when its outcome is for your interest, but if it brings Hamas to power or MB it's bad.”
First off, that thought was not my intent by pointing out the cartoons. My intent was comparing what we are teaching our children as compared to what children in other areas of the world are being taught.
If we continue this pattern of teaching things are going to be very bad for the humans that are about 5 years old at the moment.
Our children are being taught tolerance. It may or may not work considering all the violence they see in the demonstrations.
Can anyone tell me why children are being taught to hate from a very early age? Why are they being taught that Jews are the “sons of pigs and dogs”? I really want to know the answer to that question. And why teach the children of Iran those things. As far as I know, Israel has done nothing to Iran. But that could just be due to lack of available, credible, information.
As far as Hamas goes, near as I can tell, they are not interested in peace at all. They have stated they are willing to observe a “long term truce” – call it up to 15 years. But the end goal is to obliterate another country. If you like I’ll hunt down those transcripts or videos as well.
If Hamas says “Hey! We are tired of all these battles and will stop with the missiles into Israel starting on (pick a date)” then Hamas may well create a democracy worthy of the people that live in Palestine.
On the other paw, if they spend their entire existence trying to obliterate people, I doubt they will be successful in obtaining nation-level acceptance and respect.
(2nd try on posting
> Hamas indoctrinates children? Nooo!
Correct, the best teachers are those chosen murderers,
that killed more than 600 pal. youths and children
during the last intifada.
Their lesson for the pal.: Murder for land.
They reap what they sowed - and feel as victims again.
Very pathetic.
Ahmad, do you NOT see that coffin draped in a Danish flag? The one those children are carrying like pall-bearers? What do you figure the symbolism is there?
Get real, man. "We people" aren't stupid, you know? We recognize expressions of hatred when we see them.
( we recognize racist code phrases like "you people" too)
Murder for land.
They reap what they sowed - and feel as victims again.
Very pathetic.
You've decribed the palestinians perfectly. Bravo!
> We recognize expressions of hatred when we see them.
Purchase a mirror and search for more evidence of the judeo-
christian supremacy in the new photos from Abu Ghraib.
> You've decribed the palestinians perfectly. Bravo!
No, sir.
It I S their land.
Our Children maybe young, but they love their prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), they have the right to be angry when their role model is made fun of under the name of "free speech" !
the problem with you guys, is that you really don't understand what the prophet means to us,well maybe you will get the idea if you read this verse of the Holy Quran
The Meaning of The Noble Qur'an. Surah:9.At-Taubah.24. "Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight ... are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause, then wait until Allah brings about His Decision (torment). And Allah guides not the people who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah)"
Well, I am not a fan of Hammas but "people who think Hammas should be given a fair chance"!!! Who are the people who will think or not? Hammas was chosen by palestinians. End of story. And frankly, i can't blame them. They tried Fath. What have they gained?!! Anyway, this is not our business. We can't decide for other countries who will rule them because we think they made a wrong choice. What great democrats shall we be? Hammas was elected. It MUST be given a fair chance.
@ Egypeter, i would love to see some honest liberal people ruling Egypt. But, these are only dreams. However, the current situation must change. Our people die burnt in trains or eaten by fish. Our money is being stolen. i read yesteday that 14 million Egyptians sleep without supper. These are the poor people right? So what about our middle class? Do they actually LIVE or are they just trying to get by? I can tell you a 59 years old university professor makes around 2500 L.E.($430)/ month. These are univesity professors, i'm not talking about teachers or young doctors who earn less than $50/month. Do you think it can get worse than this? I'll support any change, even MB. May be, after MB rules, people will finally get to know who MB really is and then we'll have some hope in the future.
> Palestinians are Jordanians and Egyption not "Palestinians".
Zionism is not only a totalitarian and barbarian ideology,
it also attract morons, as flypaper attracts flies.
> Fatah is a terrorist group.
> Hamas is a terrorist group.
No sir.
They are freedom fighters, to push the evil oppressor
and occupier in the sea. Remember Moses?
They are like him.
democracy for palestine said...
No sir.
They are freedom fighters, to push the evil oppressor
and occupier in the sea. Remember Moses?
They are like him.
Please teach me about this. How are they like Moses? Palestine is too far away for me to touch. I spend what I earn to feed my family so I can just up and fly over to shake people’s hands.
Is the “like Moses” thing the part where various states do not agree with the 1947 / 1948 decision by the UN to carve out a little piece of land?
Or is the “like Moses” thing the part about Israel getting their people out of the West Bank settlements? They already got out if Gaza and now that’s where the missiles are coming from. (Forgive me but that’s what I’m reading every where I look.)
ahmad said...
"the problem with you guys, is that you really don't understand what the prophet means to us,well maybe you will get the idea if you read this verse of the Holy Quran "
Well then, understanding the Quran is NOT our problem. I for one and Christian and will be so until my Lord takes me. Please feel free to understand the Quran, rejoice in it and cherish it. Do not ask or force people like me to adhere to your religion.
But I’m still trying to understand a lot of the bible. And people call me names for doing that. So friggin what!? They’re entitled to their ridiculous opinion. They cannot stop me from practicing a religion. In our country (so far) that is against the law.
They CAN laugh, ridicule or whatever. But they cannot stop me.
Your position is somewhat like the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades. Hasn’t the world had enough of that and grown beyond it?
Let’s get past the religion thang. You do yours, I’ll do mine and we can both be just fine with that.
(OK. Large assumption. I’m comfortable with other people having different religions than I do. For all I care they can worship a rock. And, at least one person I’ve bumped into does just that.)
If someone belittles your religion it’s totally up to YOU how you react. On to the question of why teach hate?
Teach me about Palestine.
Teach me why they aren’t ready to work with Israel even though the Israeli government evicted their own people and let Palestine have the land AND the green houses.
Now they’re beating their own citizens up to get them out of the West Bank.
And that’s STILL not enough for Hamas.
Why isn’t it a good thing for Palestine if Israel gives them back the land?
More clips. But these are not cartoons. They’re for real.
Just so y’all won’t have to do a search or wander about in there too much.
However, be aware that MEMRI is removing older clips.
Again, so you don’t have to scroll, it’s
1. http://www.memritv.org/
2. Search on the clip number
Clip 968 Cutest little girl until you get to the end.
Clip 980 A mom become council member
Clip 843 Saudi version of Pat Robertson stumping for jihad?
Clip 817 Failed female suicide bomber interview
This one brought me to my knees praying for little girls.
"Nothing is more precious than a son. They lost a son. Losing a son affects the soul many times more than losing a daughter in our society. Losing even ten daughters is not as bad as losing than one son. That's how it is in our society. A son is more dear to the parents than a daughter. Since his role in life is greater, the pain is heavier."
If you can watch these things and not be convinced that there’s something inherently different about the mind set, please post back.
Ahmad said:
"Our Children maybe young, but they love their prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), they have the right to be angry when their role model is made fun of under the name of "free speech" !"
I am so sorry they did that to you, Ahmad. They had no right to abuse you like that. You were just a kid. You deserved to be respected and treated like a god, not bent over; suborned to fear your elders.
Will the cycle of abuse never end?
Cf. Alice-Miller.com
So tragic. (More in the adults rationalizations than in the treatment of the kids ... the treatment of the kids is MERELY predictable given what the adults are. This ain't gonna end any time soon. Shit.))
Doper,
"Purchase a mirror and search for more evidence"
Why should anybody go through all that effort when we can see 10 year old children calling for the destruction of denmark, right here in Sandmonkey's photos?
BTW, the Abu Ghriab perps are in prison. Where are the Hamas leaders who brainwashed those kids into being terrorists?
Yalk to me about my country's wrongdoing when you get your own house in order. At least we punish our criminals, instead of calling them heroes, or martyrs.
Yasmina there's no need for profanity really! or this goes under the "freedom of Speech" too?
no one said setting embassies on fire was good but I really doubt if those little kids did it :-) .
Aslan said " Do not ask or force people like me to adhere to your religion." Man I'm not forcing anyone to adhere to anything I'm just trying to give you an idea on how horrible the cartoons thing is for us.
declarlib said "I am so sorry they did that to you, Ahmad. They had no right to abuse you like that. You were just a kid. " Oh, Thanks for your kind feelings, i'm very thankful though for *them* whoever that might be :) .
For a bit of context, can anyone translate the writing, slogans, etc. that these kids are wearing? I'm interested in accurately knowing what these kids are participating in.
Man-o-man.
People are thinkging!
Happy making it is. I shouldn’t be posting this late. But I’m going to give it a shot.
“elengil said... “
And quoted a clip thusly:
“We live on aid from the West. We live on Western support, and on the products of Western culture.”
Let’s drill down on that one. Why are they living on “Western support”? Don’t know about you but I’m about fed up with the taxes. Why not build a viable economic entity? Invent a wonderful new car / camera / plastic container. C’mon! Pitch in!
You work, invent things, find new or better ways to do things and get an economic edge on the competitor(s). Perhaps my perspective is jaded by growing up in a capitalist society.
To me, it’s about figuring out how to survive in the world. Oh, and BTW, pretty soon now they won’t be relying on “The West”. They will be relying on China and Japan because they are doing what the US has done but very much better.
===Start soapbox===
Why do we fund (big breath) Israel, Palestine, Israel, Egypt, various African countries. And now Condi is asking for billions for Iran. (I’m personally fond of several Iranians but figure they’re smarter than I am and can figure out how to get by.)
===End soapbox===
At 10:36 PM, elengil said...
Point well taken and a great link! I see this sort of observation on ArabNews.com from time to time in the editorial column. But their voice is seldom and doesn’t act as a counter balance to the other images being broadcast around the world. Gee. Do you think we might be being played? I mean ALL of us world wide.
Sure. If a nation says we want to be a democracy and we’re stuck, the US will probably pitch in. If a nation says we are now a democratic nation and we’re going to wipe someone off the Earth, well that’s a different story.
Egypt (where the article came from) is currently kind of stuck. But I have to read up on Muslim Brotherhood to figure out why. Apparently, they can’t actually vote like we can. Rather like Iran or worse, how Iraq was.
At 10:06 PM, ahmad said...
(Last one, I promise. Dinner is now over done).
“Man I'm not forcing anyone to adhere to anything I'm just trying to give you an idea on how horrible the cartoons thing is for us.”
OK. It’s a horrible thing. It’s horrible for me to see Christ on the cross upside down in a jar of urine. But my own government funded the “art” and photos were published.
That’s pretty horrible to me. It hurts. Just as it hurt me when one of our very own political parties put up an image that implied all Christians were hypocrits.
Never the less, they have the FREEDOM to do that. How well I tolerate their behavior is UP TO ME. Frankly, I just laugh because I know who’s really the boss. He knows how to take care of his own house. (If ya get ma meanin, if ya catch ma drift.)
So, let’s get on with my lessons about Palestine and land.
Is it the 1948 thing or the 1960’s thing?
My wife and I took the responsibility to teach our children to respect their fellow-creature irrespective religion, race or status. From this perspective we choose a school for our children. A better world starts at home and at school.
"Why are they being taught that Jews are the 'sons of pigs and dogs'? "_____What have these people got against pigs and dogs? Both are intelligent and interesting animals, not at all to be despised, and morally superior to many humans. I see nothing to be ashamed of in being a piglet or a puppy.
> Maybe I am blind but I don't see where it says that we can
> set things on fire and kill one another cause of it..
Israels killer troops murdered hundreds of pal. youth's
and children.
Did their faith tell them to do so?
What happened to those, that lived in Canaan before the
arrival of the chosen people?
> Is the “like Moses” thing the part where various states do
> not agree with the 1947 / 1948 decision by the UN to carve
> out a little piece of land?
This little peace of land belonged to the natives - appr.
90% arabs, and it't not "little" compared to my garden.
Why not carving out a land - with builtin jewish supremacy -
in the US or in Europe?
Why make the arabs pay for other people crimes?
Because they were easier to defeat and deport than - let's
say - the french or californians?
Why not carving out a land - with built in jewish supremacy - in the US or in Europe?
Uhh...perhaps because Palestine is their homeland (and holy land) too? (And far older than Islamic culture, I might add) Israelis and Palestinians should work it out themselves, without western support for either side. Someone might argue for a Palestinian state within the EU or US, but why is it our responsibility? Stop blaming the west, or looking to us for the solution.
It´s horrible to see all the children demonstrating. I bet they would give them kalashnikovs if they could carry them!
Sign the petition:
TeachKidsPeace.com
Dont forget
If someone can only see black, you can show show them all the colours of the rainbow, but they will only see black.
That is what we face when people call Hamas, Freedom Fighters and compares them to Moses.
That is what we face when anyone complaines about the cartoons and not about the Muslem response including the murder of Christian priests in their churches.
This is what we face when people think that democracy means that we must provide aid to support an organisation that targets civilians.
This is what we face when Hollywood puts Paridise now up for an award.
This is what we face every day. Blind, stupid, and dangerous worship of murderers.
This is what we face. People who only see black.
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