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Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Hamas indoctrinates children? Nooo!

People who support Hamas and think it should be given a fair chance are not really reading up on the organization. For them I give this article and those pictures. Enjoy! MIDEAST__051456_jpg_367616h MIDEAST__051457_jpg_367617h The Hamas Youth everybody.

61 Comments:

At 2/15/2006 05:26:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How old are those kids? 5? 6?

The palestinians are SICK SICK SICK!

 
At 2/15/2006 05:41:00 AM, Blogger Cat in Rabat ( كات في الرباط) said...

Whatever happened to the Velveteen Rabbit?

 
At 2/15/2006 05:57:00 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

This is truly child abuse.

Perhaps I shouldn't make light of something this sickening, but I can't resist remembering the picture of the young Muslim boy saying
"I want to be just like Dad when I blow up."

As always, Sandy, your contributions to the blogosphere are invaluable.

 
At 2/15/2006 06:30:00 AM, Blogger waterdragon52 said...

Sandy:

Hamas has an on-line magazine for children. A recent edition promoted the cause of the Muslim claim on Al-Andaluse. I guess they are looking toward the day, when after they "reclaim Palestine" for the Caliphate, that they go on to reclaim parts of Europe that were only temporarily Dar al-Islam.

 
At 2/15/2006 06:39:00 AM, Anonymous ahmad said...

Oh, this is just horrible, reminds me of children waving little american flags and thinging the natinal anthem.... just horrible!

 
At 2/15/2006 06:57:00 AM, Blogger Jordan said...

ahmad, I think there is a small difference in children showing pride in ones country versus children calling for the death of other countries.

i hate to use these anologies, but can someone say "hitler youth"

 
At 2/15/2006 07:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, we never took field trips like this when I was a kid. They just kept sending us to the natural history museum with a sack lunch!

 
At 2/15/2006 07:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'thinging the natinal anthem'

Watch that lisp, Aman.

BTW, when's the last time you saw little kids in America, wearing Bomb belts?

 
At 2/15/2006 08:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hitler youth was my first thoguht also. Sad isn't it. Who could care so little for thier children to use them in this manner?

 
At 2/15/2006 08:35:00 AM, Blogger Superluli said...

history repeats itsself
Hitler Jugend again and people cannot see it!

 
At 2/15/2006 09:30:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Posting is being difficult.
Usually I try to only read.
This time I have to contribute.

Figuring the best way to see the future is to look at the children.
What are they being taught?

In the US they are officially being taught tolerance.

Let's have a look about, shall we?

http://www.memritv.org/
Search on the clip number to either watch the vidio or read the transcript.

906
Iranian Animated Film for Children Promotes Suicide Bombings
907
Children Drive Cruel Israeli Soldiers Away Using Eggplant Grenades in an Iranian Animated Movie
908
Palestinian Children Clash with an Israeli Soldier in an Iranian Animated Movie

807
Al-Arabiya TV Special on the Culture of Martyrdom and Suicide Bombers

 
At 2/15/2006 09:43:00 AM, Blogger elengil said...

Things like this make me never want to have children. Not because I would not love them or raise them well, but because I do not want them to have to live in a world where someday when they grow up, the children of these pictures will try to kill them.

:(

I'll adopt.

 
At 2/15/2006 09:46:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Eggplant grenades sounds yummy, anonymous. ;)

@elengil, adopt a Palestinian or Iranian kid :)

 
At 2/15/2006 09:52:00 AM, Blogger elengil said...

@elengil, adopt a Palestinian or Iranian kid :)

I imagine it's illegal in both places for a non-muslim to adopt one of their children.

I could adopt a Palestinian Christian child, but I'm sure the sheer cost of trying to do that would make it impossible for me.

*sigh*

I need, like, a rich husband.. then I'll adopt four or five kids.

 
At 2/15/2006 11:27:00 AM, Anonymous ahmad said...

Maybe I need a new pair of glasses, because I don't any see bomb belts in the photos!

But still I don't see why you people angry cause they are waving flags and holding banners!!!

Oh I know I know, you guys only like freedom and democracy when its outcome is for your interest, but if it brings Hamas to power or MB it's bad.

 
At 2/15/2006 11:27:00 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Speaking on adoption, I've always wondered why adoption is forbidden in Islam...I found the answer.

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/qi033.html

interesting...

 
At 2/15/2006 11:27:00 AM, Anonymous Philipp Krieg said...

This is so lame...

The book of Proverbs (Bible) says an interesting thing about it

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. (Pv. 22:6)

No further comments

 
At 2/15/2006 11:29:00 AM, Blogger Blogspat said...

Anonymous,
I watched film 906 - and cried. Burn my flag, burn my embassies make all the fun you wan't of me - to watch this kind of film hurt me more.

 
At 2/15/2006 12:18:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

ahmad

Teaching children to hate is child abuse, as surely as a beating or molestation. But it is abuse of their minds, their very humanity. In that sense, it is the worst form. To corrupt the very soul of a child from a human into a reckless animal who reacts with glee to the smell of blood and fear instead of having compassion and empathy for their neighbors.

That is why the pictures sicken us to the core. Because these are beautiful, precious children that are G-d's gift to this world and the future of it. Instead of being cared for and nurtured, they are instead moulded into little machines of hate, vilence and the lie that it is somehow good to kill yourself as long as you kill some 'unbeliever' with you.

:(

 
At 2/15/2006 12:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ahmad said...
“Oh I know I know, you guys only like freedom and democracy when its outcome is for your interest, but if it brings Hamas to power or MB it's bad.”

First off, that thought was not my intent by pointing out the cartoons. My intent was comparing what we are teaching our children as compared to what children in other areas of the world are being taught.

If we continue this pattern of teaching things are going to be very bad for the humans that are about 5 years old at the moment.

Our children are being taught tolerance. It may or may not work considering all the violence they see in the demonstrations.

Can anyone tell me why children are being taught to hate from a very early age? Why are they being taught that Jews are the “sons of pigs and dogs”? I really want to know the answer to that question. And why teach the children of Iran those things. As far as I know, Israel has done nothing to Iran. But that could just be due to lack of available, credible, information.

As far as Hamas goes, near as I can tell, they are not interested in peace at all. They have stated they are willing to observe a “long term truce” – call it up to 15 years. But the end goal is to obliterate another country. If you like I’ll hunt down those transcripts or videos as well.

If Hamas says “Hey! We are tired of all these battles and will stop with the missiles into Israel starting on (pick a date)” then Hamas may well create a democracy worthy of the people that live in Palestine.

On the other paw, if they spend their entire existence trying to obliterate people, I doubt they will be successful in obtaining nation-level acceptance and respect.

(2nd try on posting

 
At 2/15/2006 01:39:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> Hamas indoctrinates children? Nooo!

Correct, the best teachers are those chosen murderers,
that killed more than 600 pal. youths and children
during the last intifada.
Their lesson for the pal.: Murder for land.

They reap what they sowed - and feel as victims again.

Very pathetic.

 
At 2/15/2006 01:40:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Oh, look who's back.

 
At 2/15/2006 01:43:00 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

"Oh I know I know, you guys only like freedom and democracy when its outcome is for your interest, but if it brings Hamas to power or MB it's bad"

Dear Ahmed - This is the democracy that the MB has planned for Egypt. PLEASE READ:

http://www.wataninet.com/article_en.asp?ArticleID=5788

Is that the country you want to live in?

 
At 2/15/2006 02:35:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Ahmad, do you NOT see that coffin draped in a Danish flag? The one those children are carrying like pall-bearers? What do you figure the symbolism is there?

Get real, man. "We people" aren't stupid, you know? We recognize expressions of hatred when we see them.

( we recognize racist code phrases like "you people" too)

 
At 2/15/2006 03:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Murder for land.

They reap what they sowed - and feel as victims again.

Very pathetic.

You've decribed the palestinians perfectly. Bravo!

 
At 2/15/2006 03:58:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> We recognize expressions of hatred when we see them.

Purchase a mirror and search for more evidence of the judeo-
christian supremacy in the new photos from Abu Ghraib.

 
At 2/15/2006 04:00:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> You've decribed the palestinians perfectly. Bravo!

No, sir.

It I S their land.

 
At 2/15/2006 04:11:00 PM, Anonymous ahmad said...

Our Children maybe young, but they love their prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), they have the right to be angry when their role model is made fun of under the name of "free speech" !

the problem with you guys, is that you really don't understand what the prophet means to us,well maybe you will get the idea if you read this verse of the Holy Quran

The Meaning of The Noble Qur'an. Surah:9.At-Taubah.24. "Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight ... are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause, then wait until Allah brings about His Decision (torment). And Allah guides not the people who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah)"

 
At 2/15/2006 05:11:00 PM, Anonymous dudu said...

Well, I am not a fan of Hammas but "people who think Hammas should be given a fair chance"!!! Who are the people who will think or not? Hammas was chosen by palestinians. End of story. And frankly, i can't blame them. They tried Fath. What have they gained?!! Anyway, this is not our business. We can't decide for other countries who will rule them because we think they made a wrong choice. What great democrats shall we be? Hammas was elected. It MUST be given a fair chance.
@ Egypeter, i would love to see some honest liberal people ruling Egypt. But, these are only dreams. However, the current situation must change. Our people die burnt in trains or eaten by fish. Our money is being stolen. i read yesteday that 14 million Egyptians sleep without supper. These are the poor people right? So what about our middle class? Do they actually LIVE or are they just trying to get by? I can tell you a 59 years old university professor makes around 2500 L.E.($430)/ month. These are univesity professors, i'm not talking about teachers or young doctors who earn less than $50/month. Do you think it can get worse than this? I'll support any change, even MB. May be, after MB rules, people will finally get to know who MB really is and then we'll have some hope in the future.

 
At 2/15/2006 05:12:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Sign the petition:
TeachKidsPeace.com

 
At 2/15/2006 05:17:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Dudu.

Fatah is a terrorist group.
Hamas is a terrorist group.

Palestinians are Jordanians and Egyption not "Palestinians".

The arab world failed an invasion, the "Palestinians" were used by their leaders as a tool against Israel because Israel was kind enough not to annex all the land it won in defensive wars.

Hitler was chosen by the people, democracy is a step foward but there is a marathon to go. Hamas, an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, should be given no recognition. Palestinians who voted for Hamas were either Stupid or Murderous, either way it is no good. Not an excuse.

Stop excusing Palestine refugees despite the facts.

 
At 2/15/2006 05:37:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> Palestinians are Jordanians and Egyption not "Palestinians".

Zionism is not only a totalitarian and barbarian ideology,
it also attract morons, as flypaper attracts flies.

 
At 2/15/2006 05:39:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> Fatah is a terrorist group.
> Hamas is a terrorist group.

No sir.

They are freedom fighters, to push the evil oppressor
and occupier in the sea. Remember Moses?

They are like him.

 
At 2/15/2006 06:56:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

"The Meaning of The Noble Qur'an. Surah:9.At-Taubah.24. "Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight ... are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause, then wait until Allah brings about His Decision (torment). And Allah guides not the people who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah)"

Maybe I am blind but I don't see where it says that we can set things on fire and kill one another cause of it..It's all been said before...You don't like what was done and you want to save the prophets reputation fucking do it peacefully...Don't raise little kids to hate..After all Islam is about peace..So we love our prophet and hate anyone that doesn't... Sounds like hypocrisy to me..Teach the little bastards to love the prophet, teach em to forgive and pray for god to forgive them for drawing such things..Shees..

 
At 2/15/2006 07:24:00 PM, Anonymous Aslan said...

democracy for palestine said...
No sir.

They are freedom fighters, to push the evil oppressor
and occupier in the sea. Remember Moses?

They are like him.

Please teach me about this. How are they like Moses? Palestine is too far away for me to touch. I spend what I earn to feed my family so I can just up and fly over to shake people’s hands.

Is the “like Moses” thing the part where various states do not agree with the 1947 / 1948 decision by the UN to carve out a little piece of land?

Or is the “like Moses” thing the part about Israel getting their people out of the West Bank settlements? They already got out if Gaza and now that’s where the missiles are coming from. (Forgive me but that’s what I’m reading every where I look.)

ahmad said...
"the problem with you guys, is that you really don't understand what the prophet means to us,well maybe you will get the idea if you read this verse of the Holy Quran "

Well then, understanding the Quran is NOT our problem. I for one and Christian and will be so until my Lord takes me. Please feel free to understand the Quran, rejoice in it and cherish it. Do not ask or force people like me to adhere to your religion.

But I’m still trying to understand a lot of the bible. And people call me names for doing that. So friggin what!? They’re entitled to their ridiculous opinion. They cannot stop me from practicing a religion. In our country (so far) that is against the law.

They CAN laugh, ridicule or whatever. But they cannot stop me.

Your position is somewhat like the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades. Hasn’t the world had enough of that and grown beyond it?

Let’s get past the religion thang. You do yours, I’ll do mine and we can both be just fine with that.

(OK. Large assumption. I’m comfortable with other people having different religions than I do. For all I care they can worship a rock. And, at least one person I’ve bumped into does just that.)

If someone belittles your religion it’s totally up to YOU how you react. On to the question of why teach hate?

Teach me about Palestine.

Teach me why they aren’t ready to work with Israel even though the Israeli government evicted their own people and let Palestine have the land AND the green houses.

Now they’re beating their own citizens up to get them out of the West Bank.

And that’s STILL not enough for Hamas.
Why isn’t it a good thing for Palestine if Israel gives them back the land?

 
At 2/15/2006 07:33:00 PM, Anonymous Aslan said...

More clips. But these are not cartoons. They’re for real.
Just so y’all won’t have to do a search or wander about in there too much.
However, be aware that MEMRI is removing older clips.
Again, so you don’t have to scroll, it’s
1. http://www.memritv.org/
2. Search on the clip number

Clip 968 Cutest little girl until you get to the end.
Clip 980 A mom become council member
Clip 843 Saudi version of Pat Robertson stumping for jihad?

Clip 817 Failed female suicide bomber interview
This one brought me to my knees praying for little girls.

"Nothing is more precious than a son. They lost a son. Losing a son affects the soul many times more than losing a daughter in our society. Losing even ten daughters is not as bad as losing than one son. That's how it is in our society. A son is more dear to the parents than a daughter. Since his role in life is greater, the pain is heavier."

If you can watch these things and not be convinced that there’s something inherently different about the mind set, please post back.

 
At 2/15/2006 07:45:00 PM, Anonymous declarlib said...

Ahmad said:
"Our Children maybe young, but they love their prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), they have the right to be angry when their role model is made fun of under the name of "free speech" !"

I am so sorry they did that to you, Ahmad. They had no right to abuse you like that. You were just a kid. You deserved to be respected and treated like a god, not bent over; suborned to fear your elders.

Will the cycle of abuse never end?

Cf. Alice-Miller.com

So tragic. (More in the adults rationalizations than in the treatment of the kids ... the treatment of the kids is MERELY predictable given what the adults are. This ain't gonna end any time soon. Shit.))

 
At 2/15/2006 09:17:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Thank you, Aslan, for that Mermi link.

I have scrolled through many. Many I did not want to even think about, the rest I only read the transcripts. I did not want to watch the cartoons you posted earlier.

But I came to this, and I don't know why, but this made me want to cry even more than the pictures above. Perhaps because this truly speaks to the suffering souls of the Arab peoples, to the truth of their frustrations and despair.

(gosh I hope this works)

We always think the West is conspiring against us... We are less important than a fly's wing to the West. We live on aid from the West. We live on Western support, and on the products of Western culture. These cameras are from the West, and so are the cars we drive. The buses that carry our children are from the West. Our clothes are from the West.

 
At 2/15/2006 09:33:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Doper,

"Purchase a mirror and search for more evidence"

Why should anybody go through all that effort when we can see 10 year old children calling for the destruction of denmark, right here in Sandmonkey's photos?

BTW, the Abu Ghriab perps are in prison. Where are the Hamas leaders who brainwashed those kids into being terrorists?

Yalk to me about my country's wrongdoing when you get your own house in order. At least we punish our criminals, instead of calling them heroes, or martyrs.

 
At 2/15/2006 10:06:00 PM, Anonymous ahmad said...

Yasmina there's no need for profanity really! or this goes under the "freedom of Speech" too?
no one said setting embassies on fire was good but I really doubt if those little kids did it :-) .

Aslan said " Do not ask or force people like me to adhere to your religion." Man I'm not forcing anyone to adhere to anything I'm just trying to give you an idea on how horrible the cartoons thing is for us.

declarlib said "I am so sorry they did that to you, Ahmad. They had no right to abuse you like that. You were just a kid. " Oh, Thanks for your kind feelings, i'm very thankful though for *them* whoever that might be :) .

 
At 2/15/2006 10:22:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

no one said setting embassies on fire was good but I really doubt if those little kids did it :-) .

I think you miss the point...

Those are the children who will grow up to do it. Those are the children who will blow themselves up. Those are the children who will gladly send their children to die :(

Those are the children who will burn embassies, and burn flags, and kill innocents, and kidnap innocents, and do all this because, as children, they were taught to do so.

Abuse, Ahmad. That is pure and simple child abuse, and it breaks my heart.

 
At 2/15/2006 10:22:00 PM, Blogger marin_explorer said...

For a bit of context, can anyone translate the writing, slogans, etc. that these kids are wearing? I'm interested in accurately knowing what these kids are participating in.

 
At 2/15/2006 10:28:00 PM, Anonymous Alsan said...

Man-o-man.
People are thinkging!
Happy making it is. I shouldn’t be posting this late. But I’m going to give it a shot.

“elengil said... “
And quoted a clip thusly:
“We live on aid from the West. We live on Western support, and on the products of Western culture.”

Let’s drill down on that one. Why are they living on “Western support”? Don’t know about you but I’m about fed up with the taxes. Why not build a viable economic entity? Invent a wonderful new car / camera / plastic container. C’mon! Pitch in!

You work, invent things, find new or better ways to do things and get an economic edge on the competitor(s). Perhaps my perspective is jaded by growing up in a capitalist society.

To me, it’s about figuring out how to survive in the world. Oh, and BTW, pretty soon now they won’t be relying on “The West”. They will be relying on China and Japan because they are doing what the US has done but very much better.

===Start soapbox===
Why do we fund (big breath) Israel, Palestine, Israel, Egypt, various African countries. And now Condi is asking for billions for Iran. (I’m personally fond of several Iranians but figure they’re smarter than I am and can figure out how to get by.)
===End soapbox===

 
At 2/15/2006 10:36:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Alsan, I think that was the point the man was trying to make. Read the whole thing at the link I provided.

Arrogance is met with resistance, but when someone truly humbles themselves and says "yes, this is what is wrong with us, lets stop looking at what is wrong with someone else and fix ourselves first," that is what will make other listen and empathise and want to help.

 
At 2/15/2006 10:51:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

elengil spelt it out for you..Thanks..

Oh I see I used the F word and prophet in the same sentence..I am going to hell! I will try harder next time to not use such words..opps

What's up with all the over sensitiveness...

All Im saying is it's one thing to teach children religion but it's not right to teach them hatered and hostility.. Let them grow up and than choose to hate on their own.. These kids are being raised to kill and destroy than blow themselves up..Whare is the sense in that?

 
At 2/15/2006 11:01:00 PM, Anonymous Aslan said...

At 10:36 PM, elengil said...

Point well taken and a great link! I see this sort of observation on ArabNews.com from time to time in the editorial column. But their voice is seldom and doesn’t act as a counter balance to the other images being broadcast around the world. Gee. Do you think we might be being played? I mean ALL of us world wide.

Sure. If a nation says we want to be a democracy and we’re stuck, the US will probably pitch in. If a nation says we are now a democratic nation and we’re going to wipe someone off the Earth, well that’s a different story.

Egypt (where the article came from) is currently kind of stuck. But I have to read up on Muslim Brotherhood to figure out why. Apparently, they can’t actually vote like we can. Rather like Iran or worse, how Iraq was.

 
At 2/15/2006 11:02:00 PM, Anonymous Aslan said...

At 10:06 PM, ahmad said...

(Last one, I promise. Dinner is now over done).

“Man I'm not forcing anyone to adhere to anything I'm just trying to give you an idea on how horrible the cartoons thing is for us.”

OK. It’s a horrible thing. It’s horrible for me to see Christ on the cross upside down in a jar of urine. But my own government funded the “art” and photos were published.

That’s pretty horrible to me. It hurts. Just as it hurt me when one of our very own political parties put up an image that implied all Christians were hypocrits.

Never the less, they have the FREEDOM to do that. How well I tolerate their behavior is UP TO ME. Frankly, I just laugh because I know who’s really the boss. He knows how to take care of his own house. (If ya get ma meanin, if ya catch ma drift.)

So, let’s get on with my lessons about Palestine and land.

Is it the 1948 thing or the 1960’s thing?

 
At 2/15/2006 11:03:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

Wa ba3den..What is really so offensive to you over these cartoons..I as a muslim am not..So what..

All you have to do is walk anywhare on the streets of Egypt to hear the language we use towards Christians and Jews.. Am I wrong there? You mean we never drew or wrote anything bad against another religion?.. Turn about is fair play in my book..

If you dish it you should be able to take it.. I won't even repeat all the sayings and curse words we great muslims use when it involves a non muslim..

Thats all I have to say about it.. Im so fed up with Arabs refusing to look at the flip side of the coin.. It's just stupid..We demand what were not willing to give..

 
At 2/15/2006 11:09:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Completely off topic...

I see a lot of arabic words transliterated into english but also including numbers like 3 and 7..

What sound are these numbers supposed to represent? It makes it really hard to sound out what you're saying when you use a symbol that has no letter sound associated with it in english...

That is, I'm quite certain that the word is not said as "ba-three-den"

 
At 2/15/2006 11:14:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

the 3 has like a harder a sound to it..Wa ba3den means anyway...baa-den is how I would say it in English

the 7 I believe is like and h sound.. Depends how the person uses it.. the 3 looks like an Arabic letter and so does the 7 thats why we use em sometimes..

hope that helps.. am not the best arabic teacher..

 
At 2/15/2006 11:24:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

:D

I may not get it exactly right, but it's a lot better than where I was before! Thank you. Shokran (is that right?)

 
At 2/15/2006 11:28:00 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

yup thats right and afwan.. afwan means your welcome..

 
At 2/16/2006 12:32:00 AM, Blogger Circumspection said...

My wife and I took the responsibility to teach our children to respect their fellow-creature irrespective religion, race or status. From this perspective we choose a school for our children. A better world starts at home and at school.

 
At 2/16/2006 10:46:00 AM, Anonymous Don Cox said...

"Why are they being taught that Jews are the 'sons of pigs and dogs'? "_____What have these people got against pigs and dogs? Both are intelligent and interesting animals, not at all to be despised, and morally superior to many humans. I see nothing to be ashamed of in being a piglet or a puppy.

 
At 2/16/2006 02:31:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> Maybe I am blind but I don't see where it says that we can
> set things on fire and kill one another cause of it..

Israels killer troops murdered hundreds of pal. youth's
and children.

Did their faith tell them to do so?

What happened to those, that lived in Canaan before the
arrival of the chosen people?

 
At 2/16/2006 02:38:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> Is the “like Moses” thing the part where various states do
> not agree with the 1947 / 1948 decision by the UN to carve
> out a little piece of land?

This little peace of land belonged to the natives - appr.
90% arabs, and it't not "little" compared to my garden.

Why not carving out a land - with builtin jewish supremacy -
in the US or in Europe?
Why make the arabs pay for other people crimes?

Because they were easier to defeat and deport than - let's
say - the french or californians?

 
At 2/16/2006 03:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not carving out a land - with built in jewish supremacy - in the US or in Europe?

Uhh...perhaps because Palestine is their homeland (and holy land) too? (And far older than Islamic culture, I might add) Israelis and Palestinians should work it out themselves, without western support for either side. Someone might argue for a Palestinian state within the EU or US, but why is it our responsibility? Stop blaming the west, or looking to us for the solution.

 
At 2/17/2006 07:42:00 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

It is interesting that some in early Zionism -- not quite a majority but including the main figure, Theodore Herzl, would have accepted a 'Jewish homeland' in Kenya, since the early movement was secular to the point of being anti-religious and only interested in a place where Jews would be safe. (Similarly, it was not until the Kooks came along -- not a derogatory term, two rabbis whose last name was Kook -- that many ultra-religious Jews were willing to accept an Israel that had not been founded on a religious basis.

 
At 2/18/2006 01:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It´s horrible to see all the children demonstrating. I bet they would give them kalashnikovs if they could carry them!

 
At 3/07/2006 05:51:00 PM, Anonymous Steven said...

Sign the petition:
TeachKidsPeace.com

Dont forget

 
At 3/07/2006 06:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone can only see black, you can show show them all the colours of the rainbow, but they will only see black.

That is what we face when people call Hamas, Freedom Fighters and compares them to Moses.

That is what we face when anyone complaines about the cartoons and not about the Muslem response including the murder of Christian priests in their churches.

This is what we face when people think that democracy means that we must provide aid to support an organisation that targets civilians.

This is what we face when Hollywood puts Paridise now up for an award.

This is what we face every day. Blind, stupid, and dangerous worship of murderers.

This is what we face. People who only see black.

 

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