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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Just the way it is

Israel's acting PM Olmert is warning that Abbas' latest powerplay may not be enough for negotiations to go on: "[Abbas] knows that while we respect him and we are prepared to deal with him ... we will not be able to continue the same pattern of relations if he will choose to surrender to the existence of a terrorist organization rather than to act in order to disarm it and change its nature," Olmert said Tuesday in a speech before the leaders of American-Jewish organizations.

The United States, the European Union and Israel classify Hamas as a terrorist organization and have threatened to halt aid to the Palestinian Authority after Hamas' victory in a parliamentary vote last month.

Olmert reiterated Israel's refusal to negotiate with Hamas.

"I, here on behalf of the government of Israel, pledge to you that we will not negotiate and we will not deal with a Palestinian Authority that will be dominated, wholly or partly, by a terrorist organization," he said.



At 2/15/2006 01:29:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

It is interesting to see whether Hamas will go the same pathas the PLO or not. I think they will eventually as they have no other alternative but get wasted in time.
They stress they wont recognise Israel yet they call for a return to the 67 borders, either they are stupid or just playing on the palestinians emotions. How will they negotiate with Israel if they dont recognise it? How will they build an army to maintain their resistance to free their land, which is the whole of israel & palestine, they never mention Jordan which is in fact part of palestine that the British tore away to call it transjordan.
The more Hamas denies Israel existence, the more the situation is prolonged, the more the suffering of palestinians & the more their future is bleaker.

At 2/15/2006 01:40:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

JM, the question becomes: Is the return to the 1967 borders the end of Hamas' goals in their opinion, or just another step closer to the destruction of Israel? Like, is it the end, or just the means to the end?

At 2/15/2006 06:07:00 AM, Anonymous jokerman said...

No, it will not be the end in my opinion as they have said many times before that they want to recover the WHOLE OF PALESTINE, so the pre 67 war borders is just like a step in a thousand steps.
Hamas would like to show the palestinians how clever & comptent they are unlike the shoddy PA, so they will show more toughness & shrewdness, they will not give up anything easily even if Israel gave it to them on a silver plate but to accept anything from Israel that quick & without hassle means they are complacent & weak, so its not about the goals as much as its about the appearance or charade.
Hamas might recognise Israel but they will not disarm & they will be seeking concessions from the US, EU & Israel just to recognise israel, they will procrastinate, delay, lie , claim & proclaim everything just toshow that they are the supreme palestinian rulers, it doesnt matter if ordinary palestinians suffer in the mean time or not, the goal is to be tough for the sake of toughness & thats it, their ideology is that the land will return to them either way or another even if it takes another 4 centuries, they are not there to solve the problem & the israelis know this method too thats why things are the way they are.

At 2/15/2006 07:24:00 AM, Anonymous AhmedT said...

I want more than "hmmm" from you. Give me something to rant about buddy :-) Don't be shy. lol


At 2/15/2006 09:50:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

What's Hamas opinion regarding Jordan, actually?

(and what about Egypt? (Gaza))

At 2/15/2006 01:20:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> [Abbas] knows that while we respect him and we are
> prepared to deal with him ...

Yeah, Olmert reminds me of Eichmann, expecially after the
- well - intifada - in the Warsawa ghetto.

Like Eichmann he fears another expensive and dangerous
intifada. Eichmann had the "Judenrat", a commitee to de-
fend the "rights" and interests of the german massmurders,
as Olmert has Abbas.

Very pathetic.

At 2/15/2006 03:14:00 PM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Can't you come up with something new than comparing a Jew to a Nazi? It's so 90s.

At 2/15/2006 04:08:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

Of course.

We were interrupted when you were trying to explain
the achievement of "jewish democracy" through ethnic

May be, a jewish democracy is not what it pretends
to be?
No democracy at all, but bigotry and fascism?

What do you think?

At 2/15/2006 04:15:00 PM, Blogger Suzanne said...

What the f--- are you talking about. Who is "we" and "you" and who tried to explain what to whom? And who was interupted by whom?

Next time I should stay out of the medicine cabinet if I was you.

At 2/15/2006 05:47:00 PM, Anonymous democracy for palestine said...

> Who is "we" and "you" and who tried to explain what to whom?

Seems you're not that smart...

Sorry for the inconvenience.

At 2/16/2006 04:50:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Argh, I can't help it that you are brainwashed, sir.

At 2/16/2006 05:51:00 AM, Anonymous jokerman said...

Democracy for palestine
The Democracy in ISrael is by far more democratic than any other middle eastern country,but what ethnic cleansing do you mean?? if there was ethnic cleansing, palestinian numbers would have dwindled dramatically, but its the opposite that happens, so what ethnic cleansing? what happens in the infifada isnt considered cleansing at all otherwise it would have been in millions or at least a few hundred thousand killed.
What about palestinian Bigotry & Fascism?? or it didnt cross your mind??


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