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Sunday, February 19, 2006

WTF Bill?

Bill Clinton has lost his mind: Former US President Bill Clinton has condemned publication of blasphemous caricatures in the western media and has urged the concerned countries to convict the publishers.

Talking to newsmen after meeting with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Islamabad on Friday he said he strongly disagreed with the publication of these caricatures depicting the Holy Prophet since they were against any religious or ethical norms.

Clinton said he has no objection on the peaceful demonstrations being held the world over for the conviction of the culprits but it is not time to burn and violence.

He said it is time to promote inter-faith harmony the world over and stand together on the issue.

He said religious convictions of the people should be respected at all costs and no media should be allowed to play with the religious sentiments of people of any faith.

No seriously, want another source? Former US president Bill Clinton on Friday condemned the publication of Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) caricatures by European newspapers and urged countries concerned to convict the publishers. Talking to reporters after meeting Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Islamabad, Clinton said he disagreed with the caricatures and that the publication was against religious and ethical norms. Clinton said he had no objection to peaceful demonstrations being held worldwide, but this was not the time for violence. He said it was the time to promote inter-faith harmony and stand together on the issue. He said the people’s religious convictions should be respected at all costs and the media should be disallowed to play with the religious sentiments of other faiths. Huh. Is he high? You think this time maybe he did inhale? UPDATE: Since I can not find any other source outside Iran and Pakistan that verifies that Clinton actually said this, I have to not stand by that story, especially since Fox News didn't mention it either. And let's be honest here, if Bill had really said that, Fox News would've have been all over that story like Flies on Shit. Right?


At 2/19/2006 01:19:00 AM, Blogger Crazy Girl said...

Bill made more sense when he was cheating on his wife...

At 2/19/2006 01:31:00 AM, Anonymous John D K said...

Has Clinton lost his mind? Well yea, but that was several decades back and he's yet to recover from it.

Really, that quote doesn't sound a bit like a native American speach pattern.

The BBC artical on the story never uses anything like that line of thought.

At 2/19/2006 01:55:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Basically how the US is treating this issue in general. The animated cartoon here (first one) mentions this issue very well

I just don't understand the US position regarding this. Is this some childish pay back Europe time or so? :)

At 2/19/2006 01:56:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Why is everyone surprised?? This is Politics,people!!!
where did clinton say these things? Islamabad , in Pakistan, for several reasons.
By doing so, he is appeasing the muslims everywhere & especially the pakistanis who act like buffalos out on a stampede night.
The US needs pakistan as its ally in the war on terror.
Dont forget the strategic position of Pakistan.
Be condemning European cartoons, he seeks to improve the image of AMerica in the eyes of Muslims & Pakistanis. People used to burn the american flag all the time, now they are burning the danish one.
Clinton doesnt give a bag of caramel toffies about the cartoons, he cares about the image of the US & relations with allies.
Even G.W.Bush said more or less the same as clinton did, its not surprising at all.

At 2/19/2006 02:25:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

They are burning the American (and Israeli) one anyway.


At 2/19/2006 02:47:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No fucking way...I'm calling bullshit on this one! Give me an independent news source not some fucking bullshit newsource saying The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) <-- that shit ain't "indepedent". Give me BBC, CNN, AP, REUTERS, AFP... something with a slightly more NPOV.. neutral point of view. There's no fucking way Clinton would be calling for conviction (which is fucking stupid in itself... hello! where the prosecution?) ... give me a break!

At 2/19/2006 05:47:00 AM, Blogger Christine said...

He is covering for the fact that he and al-Gore have been in bed with each other and sharing the same bedfellows.

At 2/19/2006 06:35:00 AM, Anonymous A. in the USA said...

Remember people, Bill clinton is the master of "I feel your pain" speeches, and lives for the spotlight. I'm not really surprised by this. And, although it is politics without a doubt, Clinton doesn't speak for the US anymore. Whether his ego thinks so or not.

At 2/19/2006 06:41:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are people in this world that you just know mean what they say, and if you don't like what it is they are saying, you hate them because you know you're not going to change their mind. George W. is reviled by most of Europe for that reason.

They liked the mealy-mouthed and unprincipled Clinton because he avoided taking a stand on anything, and they could impute to him a commonality that existed only in their imaginations. He is the classic fair weather friend, and his failure to stand by his European "friends" should astonish no one.


At 2/19/2006 08:09:00 AM, Blogger Lisa, New York said...

C'mon, you're smarter than this, Sam. Those are not reliable sources (and they're not independent sources. Both are almost exactly the same, word for word, so they were obviously both taken from one source) and neither of them contains a direct quote of Clinton saying anything about urging that the cartoonists be "convicted". I think they need some better English translators over in Pakistan. They confused him talking about "religious convictions" with "convictions" of the cartoonists.

Anyway, it's bad enough that he's pandering as much as he is but he did not call for the cartoonists to be "convicted".

At 2/19/2006 08:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This has also been reposted in the American press so yes it is true. This is nothing more than Democrats showing their true colors. Appeasement, 2 faced it's all about power and me, Bill Clinton classic remarks. No this isn't America's stand on it, Bill Clinton doesn't in any way represent American views. Everytime he opens his stupid mouth the dems chances in 2006 and 2008 drop further and further. Bill Clinton seems to be the democarts mascot these days.... what an a$$!

At 2/19/2006 09:28:00 AM, Blogger Lisa, New York said...

This has also been reposted in the American press so yes it is true.

That's not nearly good enough. Show us where it was "reposted" and, most importantly, show us the direct quote that has Clinton saying the cartoonists should be "convicted". (And as Scott said, that would be an odd thing to say. He would say "prosecuted" if he meant they should be charged with a crime, not "convicted")

He said something about "religious convictions" being respected and was misunderstood by someone writing for the Pakistani press for whom English is not a first language.

At 2/19/2006 10:18:00 AM, Anonymous Smug said...

Brother, pot won't do that to you. You just wouldn't care. Which might be a solution in itself. How do you spread the Not Care and Shut The Fuck Up disease?

At 2/19/2006 10:34:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This from a man who's main claim to fame is getting head from a fat chick in the oval office. Nuf said.

At 2/19/2006 10:45:00 AM, Anonymous Elora said...

Well.. His claim to fame also includes doing fairly well the two periods he was elected.

But anyhow, I'm with Lisa and Anonymous on this - the sources are hardly credible (and I cannot find any sort of evidence of the story on CNN, BBC or the Times' web pages).

Clinton -has- been very anti-cartoon, and he certainly dropped several degrees in my esteem for his very narrow perspective, but I doubt he would wish convictions against a newspaper who clearly has not broken Danish law.

At 2/19/2006 10:48:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh Please liberals! You know that our press would never report anything about the Clintoons that might show their true selves. This time you will have to rely on the hundreds of reports in Asian, ME and foreign press releases of his comments. Then perhaps next week after all of the blogs report on this you might see a small mention somewhere with his actual statements watered down. Somehow I think even if the NYTimes reported this you'd still not beleive it?

At 2/19/2006 10:53:00 AM, Blogger Lisa, New York said...

Oh Please liberals!

This time you will have to rely on the hundreds of reports in Asian, ME and foreign press releases of his comments.

I'm not a "liberal" but I believe in the truth. And, no. I don't have to rely on the "hundreds" of reports (are thre really "hundreds"? Do you have the links? And if there are, are they original reporting or just reprints of the one original report?) which are not proof of anything. How about showing us the actual quote by Clinton?

Somehow I think even if the NYTimes reported this you'd still not beleive it?

Well, I don't reflexively believe everything I read no matter where it appears. I'd like to be shown the actual quote. Is that too much to ask?

At 2/19/2006 11:00:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps you should learn to use google. I turned up 12+ pages of links? CNN just mentioned it moments ago on air.

At 2/19/2006 11:05:00 AM, Blogger Lisa, New York said...

Perhaps you should learn to use google. I turned up 12+ pages of links? CNN just mentioned it moments ago on air.

12 pages of links to the same word-for-word article?
CNN mentioned what? That Clinton denounced the publication of the cartoons or that he called for the "convictions" of the cartoonists? They're vastly different things, you know.

And where's the quote? Surely, it can't be too difficult for someone to dig it up. I'll tell you why the direct quote of Clinton calling for the "convictions" of the cartoonists hasn't appeared. Because he didn't say it.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

At 2/19/2006 12:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the bottom of the article of Sand Monkey's "News" source:

"The profane cartoons, published in not so famous dailies in such non-political states as Denmark and Japan over recent weeks, are a plot jointly hatched by the US and Britain to challenge the beliefs and sanctities of Muslims. The drawings, deemed as a psychological attempt, have sparked strong protests and demonstrations in the Muslim states."

You've got to fucking be kidding me!! Motherfuckers don't be making statements like this without some backing up... where the fuck are there sources?

Sand Monkey you in combination with Freedom for Egyptians were seriously awesome in revealing the whole El Fagr stroy but this shit has taken my estimation of your character down a couple of notches... PUHHHLEASE!!
You seem somewhat idiotic for spreading these reports from so called "news sources" bullshit nonsense. Fuck the propaganda!

-Scott (and I donated money to you too... shite!)

At 2/19/2006 04:52:00 PM, Anonymous RedPencil said...

I thought these comments were stupid coming from Clinton. Clinton occasionally says stupid things, but rarely this gratuitously.

Blogger Mark in Mexico apparently had similar thoughts and tried to verify this quote. Note, the Paki sources don't have a direct quotation, which is a tad suspicious. Mark decided that it's bogus, or at least stretched way too far, and came up with this explanation, which I think is reasonable.

UPDATE: Checking 60 some sources now on the net with this story: VOA doesn't corroborate the "convict publishers" comment.
PakTribune doesn't corroborate
M&C, via Deutsche Presse-Agentur doesn't corroborate
Kaiser doesn't cooborate
Outlook India.com not only does not corroborate the Pakistan Daily Times story, but seemingly contradicts it.
"We live in societies where people are free to say the wrong things and right things. But I would not be surprised if the person who drew those cartoons and the newspaper which decided to print them may not even know that it was considered blasphemous to have any kind of personal depiction of the Prophet," he (Clinton) said.

The BBC doesn't corroborate.

I think I see what has happened here. The ex-president is quoted in several of the news sources as saying that
religious convictions of the people should be respected at all costs and no media should be allowed to play with the religious sentiments of people of any faith.

The Pakistan Daily Times needs an English translator.

At 2/19/2006 04:56:00 PM, Anonymous RedPencil said...

My link to Mark in Mexico didn't work out right above so here it is:



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