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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Saturday, February 18, 2006

Word of advice

People of Israel, Ehh, I was going to write something fancy, but there is really no need. Just don't allow the building of a Museum of Tolerance over a muslim Cemetery, ok? Trust me on this. Just..don't! Thank you for listening, The Sandmonkey


At 2/18/2006 11:12:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

So what have we got here:
- people who want to built a museum of tolerance and are in a position they can hardly change their plans;
- people who do not want to have this museum built on a muslim cemetry
- people who offered to replace the cemetry to another spot and paying for it
- people who dont want to accept this offer.


What about making the cemetry "part" of a museum? In the garden or so. Havent seen the plans myself, but can't they overcome this issue somehow anyhow? Their must be a solution. And yes, it sound awkward to "just move" the cemetry because a museum of tolerance should be built there.

But again, I don't know the exact details. So can't be the judge here ;)

At 2/18/2006 11:38:00 AM, Blogger elengil said...

Erm... no, I have to go with *cemetaries should never be desecrated*.


At 2/18/2006 11:49:00 AM, Anonymous Elora said...

Am with elengil.

Cemetaries should never be desecrated.


Hopefully they will rethink.

At 2/18/2006 01:18:00 PM, Anonymous Hanan Cohen said...

Israel is a small and old place. Take a shovel, dig some and you will find an archeological remains or a grave.

It happens all the time. This time they have found Muslim graves.

Let's hope this issue will get resolves peacfully.

Let's hope Israeli embassies will not get burnt in Beirut, Teheran and Dammascus over this issue.

At 2/18/2006 01:45:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

Beruit, Teheran and Damascus *have* Israeli embassies?!?

At 2/18/2006 03:15:00 PM, Blogger Roba said...

haha, do you seriously think they'll listen? :P

At 2/18/2006 10:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are the people who attacked the USS Liberty in'67 and killed 34 Americans and wounded 100+ more because they were listening to Israeli military radios and knew of the attrocities they were committing. Then there was Jenin(spelling?). No love for anyone who kills for either political or racial reasons. No chance that they will not build it either.

At 2/18/2006 11:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Use your logic. Jerusalam is a very old city. It doesn't matter where you build anything in Jerusalam. You are always going to be building over someone's bones. For petes sake, it's a parking lot now!!!

If it's not a Museum for tolerance, then it'll be a shopping center, office park, apartment, etc...

How old are these graves? 50, 100, 200 years??

I say build the damn building. You can never have enough tolerance. Tolerance should be forced down people's throat... or else!!

At 2/19/2006 01:07:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Perhaps they prefer to keep it as a parking lot, instead of a museum of tolerance :)

I'd say, make it a part of the museum or move everything to another place at costs of the museum/Israeli state.

Anyway, damage has already been done, because many news papers were writing already that Israel is going to built a Tolerance museum on a muslim cemetry, without mentioning it is a parking lot now and without mentioning later it had been put on halt, because of the discovery.

At 2/19/2006 09:17:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cemeteries are moved all the time, even some that are really old. Just remember to put up a "BEWARE OF GHOSTS" sign and it will be okay.. but this was maybe not the issue :) //ab

At 2/19/2006 10:43:00 AM, Blogger elengil said...

10:37 PM, Anonymous said...

These are the people who attacked the USS Liberty in'67 and killed 34 Americans and wounded 100+ more because they were listening to Israeli military radios and knew of the attrocities they were committing. Then there was Jenin(spelling?).

Ugh. Regurgitation is just... ugly.

And yah, Jenin. Where a whole 50 people died, give or take, because the Israeli military conducted house-to-house searches AND DID NOT commit a wholesale slaughter or attack that would have killed innocents.

Don't believe me? Even the Palestinian Authoritie's own site couldn't name more than about 50 people dead or missing.

Yawn. Find another lie to regurgitate. This one stinks.

At 2/19/2006 01:11:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Actually SM, the egyptian government had to divert the whole path of a bridge in the mid eighties because while they were drilling for the soil investigation they found out that an old jewish cemetery lies on it's path.
Be fair again and again and again.

At 2/19/2006 11:20:00 PM, Blogger bernieHavemayer said...

The Simon Wiesenthal Center posts a statement
providing their chronology, including the fact that a Sharia court, in 1964, declared the area Mundras, which means, they report, "that its sanctity has ceased to exist in it…and it is permitted to do whatever is permitted to do in any other land which was never a cemetery….”

At 2/20/2006 12:35:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another lie to regurgitate..OK, check out the HRW website and B'Tselem.."since the beginning of the intifada, 9/2000, outside combat situations 1,722 Palestinians have been killed and more than 33% were children" says B'Tselem. I was highlighting Israeli mindset not your American pro Israeli leanings.If you smell something it's because of where your head is. OK, that's not fair. Hey, Hamas aren't proscribed without reason, their actions are a crime against humanity but don't criticise people who say that there have been wrongs on both sides. BW

At 2/20/2006 01:00:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

@Anon, yes. It's sad. And without saying it was right to do, Palestinian parents should stop buying military toyguns which look very much like a real gun. I believe that will reduce the amount of innocent victims as well.

At 2/20/2006 03:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've seen what bullets do..indoctrinating children to kill is child abuse and I agree with you Suzanne. What scares me is that some sick f***s might have bought them toy guns to bring about just that situation. 'I see dead people'. BW

At 2/20/2006 03:57:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

After further reading on the subject, including the link provided by bernieHavemayer, I can only assume as in so many other circumstances the outcry over this is due to two things..

1. because they can.
2. because Israel is involved.

It seems that it is not a *cemetary* that the building is proposed to be built on, but rather old graves. Yes, in my opinion, there is a difference between the two.

The cemetary that is currently there is to the side of the lot, not on the lot. The lot is a parking lot and apparently it's ok to have cars parking on your dead relatives but not a building built on it?


It sounds (if I have it right) that Israel is proposing to move the graves into the cemetary where, ya know, relatives can actually visit if they want.

That sounds like a much better solution, regardless of whether a building is going there or no.

It should all be done with the utmost sensativity but if the muslims themselves decades ago declared it no longer sanctified, then why should they scream that Israel must be forced to recognize it now?

Oh right....

1. because they can.
2. because Israel is involved.

At 2/21/2006 03:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure that, despite the US Treasury saying in 2003 that the Al Aqsa Foundation was proscribed because they were channeling funds to Hamas, the foundation is not trying to annoy the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation by delaying the building of the museum. No way. They wouldn't conveniently forget that over 40 years ago that the site was no longer considered holy ground by the Moslems. No way. Despite what some might think I respond to this to try and give a subjective viewpoint. You are right, it appears that they are doing it because they can and because Israel is involved. BW


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