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Thursday, March 09, 2006

Did the Koran get reported to the german police?

I received this e-mail yesterday, and I was wondering if any of my Danish or German readers could provide me a link to confirm it. Berlin. Monday morning the prosecution authorities in Hamburg found a letter containing a highly unusual police report, which had been filed during the weekend. The police report is an indictment against the Koran, according to the filing organisation because the Koran is incompatible with the German constitution. Therefore, the proclamation of its words must be stopped, it said. The police report has for certain been filed in Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen and Bayern, and most likely also in more German state unions. Lately, in a number of TV talk shows, some politicians have stated that the Koran is incompatible with the German constitution. On the 29th of January the Turkish born author Serap Cileli said that “the Koran must be historicized, it is incompatible with our constitution and human rights”. Now the Bundesverband der Bürgerbewegungen (BVB, union citizen movement), which filed the police reports, wants to bring the question to the court. Jutta Stark, who filed the police report in Hamburg, says that the Koran also was reported to the police two or tree years ago, but at that time the case was dismissed. The decision then was based on the view, that the Koran was to be seen as a historic book. “The many events in the past months have made it clear, that the Koran not only is a historic book, but in the highest degree a potent political book, which we proves very detailed in the police report” Jutta Stark said. Source: Jyllands Posten (DK) Link, anyone?


At 3/09/2006 01:53:00 AM, Anonymous Odin lever said...

Hi Sandmonkey.
This is the homepage of the Buergebewegungen.


At 3/09/2006 07:40:00 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

Thanx yet again, Sam. Not only is the story interesting, but the reference to Serap Cileli caused me to google her. Interesting woman, and if her books have been translated into English, will be interested in looking for them. (Yahoo also translated her homepage. Unfortunately their translation system reads like an old Sid Caesar routine, but if you can translate their translation, it is worth checking out. It's

She was, apparently kidnapped into marriage at age 13, had two children, and escaped her father, and one of the things she specializes in is the question of 'honor killings.'

Her book is entitled "We're your Daughters, Not Your Honor."

Check her out, only skip the "American Renaissance" site.

At 3/09/2006 07:57:00 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

I am continuing to do reference on Cileli. So far the best information I have found is in an interview published in the blog "Redemption Blues" and included in the 6th "Carnival of Feminists."

Use this link or you will find it difficult to find on the original site. Even then you'll have to page down the archives since it is nearly at the end.

It's worth it.


At 3/09/2006 09:41:00 AM, Anonymous Mike said...

"the koran is incompatible with the German constitution." This is going to end well.

At 3/09/2006 09:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't confirm the information. It's not on JP website or the website of Buergebewegungen.

I'm danish and I don't watch german TV so maybe a german reader have more information.

At 3/09/2006 10:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is the page with the article in Jyllandsposten, but it's in Danish of course.
The Egyptian "preacher" Amr Khaled is in Denmark to discuss cultural and religious dialogue. The meeting will take place Friday, the fun thing is that the now famous imam Abu Laban does not
want to participate - as he has not been invited and he doesn't want to play second fiddle, he also states that Amr Khaled should have contacted him, because only that would give him the true background to the cartoon business
(http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aid=707056/ )

At 3/09/2006 11:45:00 AM, Blogger Melantrys said...

I didn't hear anything like this on the news, but I googled a bit.

The facts seem to be that a survey showed that 21% of the Muslims living in Germany are of the opinion that our constitution is incompatible with the Koran. Which caused a minister of the county Baden-Württemberg to say that those 21% might consider leaving then.

I had a look at the Bürgerbewegungen website by the way and are pretty sure they're not concerned citizens but overzealous Christians with nationalistic tendencies.
They are implying that not banning the Koran would lead to us having the Sharia here.
They're dead set against Turkey becoming a member of the EU. Not because that might cost the EU too much. Not because Turkey still occassionally tortures. No. Because being a member of the EU would mean that Turks can move here freely to live and work. And considering their (and Arab's) breeding rates in contrast to ours, they are convinced that by 2045 we'd have as many Muslims in Germany as Christians. Which would inevitably leed to them establishing the Sharia.

Jesus fucking Christ, and then people wonder why I'm sometimes not happy about being blonde and German...?

At 3/09/2006 11:48:00 AM, Blogger Melantrys said...

*lead even (*spam*)

At 3/10/2006 02:10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a link: http://buergerbewegungen.de/bedrohtefreiheit.pdf

As has already been said, this is NOT an organisation that should be taken serious. It claims to be important with its name - but it is not. It is a small group that is not in a position to speak for all German NGOs/ the whole citizen movement.

At 3/10/2006 06:00:00 AM, Blogger arassari said...

Being a member of the Bürgerbewegungen, I’d like to answer to Melantrys’ post. I wonder what makes you think the BVB members were “overzealous Christians”? Please read the website thoroughly – it’s not about Christianity but about democracy. Among the BVB members are Muslims too. I, personally, am active in the BVB for political reasons, not religious.
As for the “nationalistic tendencies” you assume, I think you hit on the term “Heimat” (might be translated as “homeland”, “homecountry”) which occurs in the headline of the BVB website. Because of this term the BVB is occasionally considered being “right-wing”, which is not true. On the contrary, we distance ourselves clearly from any right-wing parties and groups. (When I entered, I was interviewed about my political opinion and told that if I had a right-wing view they were sorry but wouldn’t take me).

>>They are implying that not banning the Koran would lead to us having the Sharia here.<<
It’s not about banning the Koran. It’s about historicizing it. The purpose of the police report (which may not lead far) is to call attention to the fact that to this day for Muslims, at least those who regard themselves as true Muslims, the Koran and deduced from it the Sharia law stand above any man-made law and thus collide with, e.g., the German constitution.

BTW, Melantrys, I agree with you that too high costs for the EU and torture are the better arguments for not having Turkey in the EU than the demographic thing.

Greetz from an also blonde and German, and very secular and democratic and politically rather “left” person (always voted the Reds…) ;-)

@anon 2:10
You’re right, we’re a small group and therefore might not be taken seriously. *shrug*
Of course we’re not in a position to speak for all German NGOs – we never claimed that.

And last but not least, this must be said:
@sandmonkey – I’ve been reading your blog for some weeks now and I am a great fan of yours! Go on!


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