Why am I pro women rights?
Well, because of statistics like these!
posted by The Sandmonkey @ 3/11/2006 04:41:00 AM
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24 Comments:
They must have been watching movies with scenes like these:
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/639/fek1.jpg
:swallow:
I'm staggered.
Hey, you Egyptians, are these statistics believable, in your experience?
I find it very difficult to believe that more that just a few people could ever believe they deserve to be beaten, no matter what their culture or religion tries to tell them.
How many women do you personally know who believe being beaten is acceptable?
Man that's bullcrap, it isn't 94% for sure. The huge majority of the women I know here would never accept getting beaten. I don't know where these statistics came from, but they're quite overestimated.
And yes, I am pro-women rights
It's not crap ot's bery true. In my society women say that there husbands don't beat them and that there shouldn't be violence and bla bla bla. But watch closer, you'd see that there are many times where men practice some violence, a man has to let a woman know who's boss. As a kid I used to go to my grandparents place for a couple of weeks during summer, this one time there were a stupid incident where my uncle's kid needed help with her chair (she was 3 y/o) her mother helps her but accidently sqeezes on one hand , the kid cries, the mother yells the father (=my uncle) yells at his wife to be ignorant and not realising that it was her fault that the kid was hurt... he didn't beat his wife but she sure was treated like a child and my uncle appeared like the sultan of the harim ... he's not a bastard or a bad guy, but you see arab men marry women that are not as articulate or not as experienced as they are so that when the wife disagrees he'd always be capable of proving her wrong.
Sphinx, it makes sense in the context of it being an islamic country. Islam states that a man is allowed to "discipline his woman" by beating her if she disobeys him. Maybe that's why?
Didn't Islam preach understanding, compassion and mercy in marriage between both partners??
Explain that.
Are you implying that a religion, any religion, is somehow internally consistent? Because if so, you're the one who needs to do the explaining.
I am rather asking for the sources that say that Islam encourages beating a spouse. Which I will most probably not get.
I spent 4 years in h*ll when I was married the first time. He thought it was his right to beat me and it was my fault because I pushed him to it. I know how difficult it is to break away in a society that somewhat supports you ( this was 26 years ago, there weren't many shelter's then) I can't imagine one that thought it ok to beat women. I wasn't raised to beleive it was right, infact I never saw domestic violence until I was part of it. It's a very shameful thing to admit to yourself let alone the world that this is happening to you.
These women may say it is ok because of the society they were raised in but I bet if they thought that they could fight back and hurt him, I'd guarantee that most would if given the chance! If I were a man who beat his wife I sure wouldn't sleep too soundly at night because I can tell you that his wife is quietly enjoying fantasies about the many ways to kill him.
This koranic verse says it's okay to beat your wife cuz allah said so.
The Bible says God is not a respecter of person, meaning He treats them equally. Acts 10:34-35
Allah clearly prefers men over women from the koranic verse I posted above and also says men have a degree over women in this verse.
It's obvious to me these two dieties are not the same person. This is just one of the many differences between the Jewish/Christian God and the Muslim god. Allah is most probably the fictional character mohammad made up since mo was illiterate and has not read the bible to know what the Jewish God is like.
jonas
I am sure Islam is a wonderful religion mate,
Ya might want to read up on Islam before you make that assumption mate. Just saying. A good place to start is Faith Freedom International. Read the charges Ali Sina made against Islam and the prophet mohammad and then read the debates between he and various Muslim scholars. If you think that site is bias, then open up the koran and hadiths and read it yourself, that is, if you can stomach all that absurdities that are contrary to modern views, not to mention the poor grammar. Just don't go to a pro-islam site because, for one thing, muslims aren't allowed to criticize their prophet, their religion, or allah. Doing so could bring physical harm to themselves.
jonas
BTW I don't know if it showed through my posts but it isn't just about islam, it's culture, in fact unlike what we like to think, holy books don't change man , man changes the holy books, these books are subject to extremely different interpretation depending on what the person wants them to be. Many christian countries are very unequal, inhuman and all that shit, it's all about culture
I am not pro woman rights, I believe in equality between men and women. This includes women being drafted in the army. Just as men. This also entitles men to work as nurses. I think nothing is wrong in the last two examples specially after the increasing number of women cheering in the stadiums side by side with men.
WOMEN IN ISLAM
Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
pazuzu
I agree. It's the culture.
I'm not moslim but I find it way to easy to blame it on a religion, since it's big in South America too.
http://www.voices-unabridged.org/article.php?id_article=112&numero=7
Scandinavian person
When my husband and I were just married we lived downstairs from another couple. The wife was a nurse and the husband a truck driver. She would come home from work first and we could hear her scrambeling to get things ready for him. When he came home, if his dinner wasn't on the table he would beat her. My husband and I actually had our first fight over the couple upstairs because I wanted to call the police during one of their fights.
One morning he started beating her because his favorite shirt wasn't clean... After he left for work I went upstairs. It was clear that she had been crying and had bruises on her face. I told her that my husband and I would help her pack up and move that very day; that she could be gone by the time he got home. She looked at me with a very puzzled expression and said "Leave? I'm not leaving. I just got done painting the living room!" To which I replied that at the next peep of violence I would call the police and that I would keep calling the police every time I heard a fight... (and I did, BTW) They finally moved "to the mountains" I guess so he could punch her around in privacy. Hey, it's a sick world and I don't really think religion has much to do with domestic violence.
Anonymous 9:19 (which sounds like a verse from a sacred text. The Book of Anonymous, hmmm.)
That was me, jonas, and I am not looking for any sites about women in islam. Maybe you are referring to the sphinx?
jonas
prup or Jim
I will as Steven say that it's too easy to blame religion.
Christianity - despite the word of the Bible - have a long and depressing history of allowing violence to women and children, witch hunting/burning ....
Children born outside marriage as well as their mothers were stigmatised.
It's not so anymore, but the remnants in language and legislation are still there.
Any religion can be used for oppressing women. In parts of India the ratio between male and female children is heavily weighted toward male babies, since females are not appreciated.
Sexism is a problem. Domestic violence must be addressed.
But targeting one religion is in my opinion not fair.
It's the culture of accepting violence in the family that must change.
Scandinavian person
I agree that abuse towards women cannot be all blamed on religion. There are athiests who abuse women, just as there are religious adherents who do likewise. However, it is without question that this practice finds validation in the words of the koran. Show me a reference in the koran that says it's wrong for men to beat their women.
jonas
Misogyny has been prominent for thousands of years. You see it all across the world, even on the news and just walking down the street. It is a problem or society has struggled with for many years. Women and men have fought for women’s rights and respect all there life, and in many ways, it is working. Misogyny can be looked at in many different ways; it is not only respect for women, but its women’s rights too.
We see misogyny in the news nearly everyday. It is not only in or nation, but it is an even bigger problem in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq. Often times women there are abused and mistreated. They are not given a choice in how there town is run, and they are not allowed to wear certain clothes or participate in certain activities. I believe this is wrong because what gives a man power over a woman. Women are the same as men in nearly every way. They are just as intelligent and they have the same ideas men do. I believe women should have the same power as men do.
I believe women should have the same physical power too.
Yes i also believe women should be as strong as men!
Why dont we do something about it!
Ok I am new here. I will say that the whole problem with all of this is the culture of death that we have created.
In cultures of the past were all life was held equal and valuable you rarely had problems like abuse. If there was and it was found out then punishment by law would be enforced. However in societies were life is not sacred wether that be the life of the unborn or the life of someone who does not believe or look like you then society losses its respect for others as well. It becomes a relative morality were there are no absolutes. In the case of muslims the only absolute is the muslim man who follows Allah. None else matters. Here in the US it has become whatever a person deems necessary to ones self if that means taking the life of the innocent or beating someone because they make you mad then it is ok.
First someone has to take responsibility for this!
Second someone needs to step up to the plate and stop it!
Abuse is not the root!
Get to the root!
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