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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Wednesday, March 01, 2006

The -yet again-Inevitable conclusion

The backlash to the retarded boycott campaign has arrived, just as I predicted: Support for Denmark's anti-immigration Danish People's Party has soared in the wake of Muslim protests against cartoons of the prophet Muhammad, an opinion poll shows. Backing for the DPP is up 4.9 points since elections a year ago to 18.2 percent, a poll of 1,124 Danes by Megafon for broadcaster TV2 on Feb. 23 showed. The Liberal-Conservative government's support fell 1.9 points to 37.4 percent and backing for the opposition Social Democrats fell 3.7 points to 22.1 percent. The poll had a margin of error of 1-3 percentage points. The 11-year-old DPP, which in 2002 compared Islam to a ``plague,'' may overtake the Social Democrats as Denmark's second- biggest party, said Roger Buch, associate professor of political science at the Danish School of Journalism in Aarhus. The increase in support for the DPP may cause a dilemma for the government, which relies on DPP backing in parliament. ``We're witnessing a shift in the Danish political landscape,'' Buch said. ``This can, without a doubt, be attributed to the whole Muhammad cartoon debate.'' [...] Pia Kjaersgaard, leader and founder of the People's Party, has said members of the delegation should be tried for treason and should lose their Danish residence permits. She has also demanded that imams sign declarations of loyalty toward Denmark. ``The Danish People's Party has been able to tell people, just look, we were right all along,'' said Lars Bille, associate professor at Copenhagen University in a Feb. 14 interview. I hope you are happy boycott supporters! Expect this to happen all over europe now retards!


At 3/01/2006 06:25:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandmonkey: don't you worry - there might be a rise in polls because of the crisis, but danes are not stupid - we are, and will be moderate! Have you seen any burning of flags or Qurans in denmark? No!
But we have to deal hard with the hate-imams and islamists everywhere! And we have to force the peoples parti to talk with respect towards ordinary people.
Moderate muslims are, as they have always been, very welcome in denmark... Islamists are not, and they are going to be fought and dismantled - as the lowlife criminals they are!

A Dane

At 3/01/2006 06:38:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The danish peoples party is the idealogy behind the cartoons and the anti-islamic wave in denmark. The leading people behind the religious aspect of the anti-imigration policy is driven by 2 parlament elected priests, that belongs to the most extremic part of the danish state church "tidehverv". So the battle is also including teocrats vs. teocrats...

At 3/01/2006 06:54:00 AM, Anonymous lolo said...

No, this isn't a backlash but theotards (fuck that theocrat shit) getting to bolster their original xenophobia/racism due to the violence. They should be heavlily mocked and shown for what they are. Assholes are always going to find or manufacture justification for their views and actions.

At 3/01/2006 06:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous no 2...
What a load of crab: I think you are just what the "12" warned about: Cultural relativist!

At 3/01/2006 06:59:00 AM, Anonymous Lamees said...

That's just swell. My hate grows more and more with every passing day towards these idiots. I really mean that! I'm this close to punching the next person that utters the word "Boycott"

At 3/01/2006 07:02:00 AM, Blogger Blogspat said...

6:38 Anon,
Right.. DPP is "behind" the cartoons.. Care to prove that?
"The religious aspect of the anti-immigration policy".. specifically meaning?

Apart from that, the strengthening of the party is sad..

At 3/01/2006 07:03:00 AM, Blogger aliandra said...

Well, it might not be a bad idea for the Danes to restrict immigrants until they assimilate the ones they have.

At 3/01/2006 07:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the relativists are out in force.

Radical muslims like sm and bp are more than just welcome, they're an invaluable asset in handling this issue, as too many people are prepared to write off any criticism of islam from a non muslim as "racism". Fundametalist muslims, and moderate muslims, who are mostly pragmatic fundamentalists, aren't.

At 3/01/2006 07:14:00 AM, Anonymous frenchfregoli said...

Not only in Danemark...

Watch out for 2007 elections in France.
Far and "hard" right parties are set to gain significantly.
In Europe we usually "protest" in the ballots.
Don't fall for appeasing editorials in various publications condemning the rioters AND the cartoonist.
Anti arab and anti-islamic feelings are definitely set in France(hijab affair, nov2005 riots and then the cartoons), rolling back muslim acceptation in our society at least a decade.

At 3/01/2006 08:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm afraid that the Islamist have push the envelope too far and many muslins who would love to come to the west and live a good life will pay for the sins of others. My European friends who in the past have been way liberal about everything are now changing their tune. One of my friends father is a politician in Europe and according to him, there is talk of starting to deport muslims who commit any crime along with their whole family. This is coming from the moderate side of the isle! I agree with the poster who said Europeas demonstrate at the ballot box, watch as each coutry votes. They are really fed up and after what they have been through, I can't really blame them.

At 3/01/2006 09:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the world is a bit upside-down at the moment and that things still have a chance of calming down in the next few months. But many europeans are very angry and frightened by what they have seen in the last few months and if the UN goes ahead and passes a resolution against Europe over the printing of the cartoons I have no doubt that Europe will shift dramatically to the right and become far more isolationist. In Norway the far right "progress party" got 31% on the latest poll, and although I think this is because the have been milking the crisis for all it is worth and doesn't represent how people would actually vote come election time, it does send a strong signal to the other parties that if they want to hold on to their position, they will have to get tougher on imigration. The boycot-happy out there might also want to take a look at the list over europes top vacation destinations. Turky was the no 1 destination for danes before the crisis, now it's not even on the top ten list.
k from Oslo

At 3/01/2006 09:25:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is a big difference between the way that we tread muslim visitors and libaral muslim
BUT we do have to many radical muslims hear in denmark and i think we need to protect our contry and our libaral values.

At 3/01/2006 09:59:00 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

These radical mosques and Imaams and the "fruits" of their labor, terrorit groups like Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood, will end the prospects of Progressive Islam.
Moderates must step up to the plate and unite.

At 3/01/2006 10:24:00 AM, Anonymous Mike said...

Heh, let's hope their campaign isn't "No Insulin for Egyptians"

At 3/01/2006 12:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a few years, you're going to see European countries, and especially France, saying, "Ooops, can we have our Jews back?"

At 3/01/2006 12:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not just in Denmark that the support for the right wing parties increase. It's the same situation in Holland and as said previously in Norway, France and in GB.

The DPP is a nationalist party not a christian party. There are loud voices from two priests, but they are more nationalist than christian in their rethorics. Nationalism in this context is the one without weapons, but with emphasis on culture, danish history and language.
Our favorite fairytales are "the ugly duckling" - in the end "they" will recognize us as we really are. And then of course "the emperors new clothes" - just wait, in the end "they" will see we were right.

And naturally the DPP caress the danes at the moment saying that we are the best country in the world and we are so misunderstood.
Seeing our flags and embassyes burning, and placards demanding danes in general and cartoonists in particular to be beheaded was a new and unpleasent experience.
The boycott - well -"generalisation by us is good, generalisation by you is wrong" as Elengil put it.

During the last years the moslim community has mostly been represented in the media by rather fundamentalist moslims claiming to speak for all moslims in Denmark.
Naser Khader is a MP with syrian-palestinian background. If he said anything as a moslim, the fundamentalists would hurry out to say he was an infidel and didn't represent moslims at all.
So I didn't see him as a moslim voice in parliament but as a danish voice.
The fundamentalists don't comment much about the problems in the moslim community. They mostly blame it on the biased media and danes being islamophobic.

At the same time there are obvious problems in some parts of the immigrant/moslim community. The crime rate and unimployment rate are higher than for the rest of the population. It's also so for the children of immigrants. There are many good explanations for this, but statistically it's true.

A few incidents with gang-rape.
Vandalism in a part of Århus, the second largest city in Denmark. Areas where fire fighters won't go without police assistance. Areas where the police won't come being only two officers. Stories about honour killing and forced marriage. Suggestions of paying blood money in case of violent death.
And the leader of the fundamentalists has lived here for 20 years and he doesn't speak danish.

Problems like that are easy to spot, makes good headlines in papers and are easy to use for a right wing party.

If a non-moslim danish person would adress things like this, it is easy for the fundamentalists to blame the media and label it as islamophobic, racist (as if moslims were a race!) or xenophobic.
And since moderate danish people don't want to be called such nasty things, there are only the right wing parties left to speak out against it and the voters move topwards the right.

Pia Kjærsgård (the leader of DPP) does a good job in creating slogans and uses the us-against-them-feeling very well.

The votes from DPP comes frem the social democrats which are more or less in the middle of the political spectrum. The major difference from DPP is the position on immigration. The rest of the politics are more or less the same. DPP consider them selves as a party in the middle.

The moderate voices in the moslim and non-moslim community are not and have not been silent. But balanced views are not good in headlines - they are better in analysis, which are not on the front page.

Naser Khader has started the democratic moslims group. They are 900 members at the moment and have 10.000 non-moslim supporters. At the same time other more religious but moderate moslim groups and moderate imams are being heard now. When they are finished organising their platform, I think they will be able to address integration and social issues with far more impact that any other moderate group in the danish community. The moderate danes will be welcoming this.

If things calm down, my guess is that the DPP support will decrease.

The opposition is critisizing the PM rather heavily at the moment. The worst thing that could happen is that he steps down. Then we would have an election with the burning embassies, fatwas and calls for beheadings fresh in the memory. DPP would really benefit from that.

At 3/01/2006 01:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

friend of mine works with a Muslim woman , who said "I'm gonna vote for the DPP"
" but you're Muslim ????"
"Don't care.. I want those imams OUT of My country"

- another one from Denmark

Sandmonkey, you rock!

At 3/01/2006 03:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no anti-Islamic wave in Denmark before it’s was started with the pictures of our flag burning. If there is any think holy for the majority of use Danish it’s our flag.
Islamofobi my ass you scare the shit out of us and then you expect us not reacted BUT we are still more civilized the mob in the streets.
Actually burning our flag is like if we burned you Koran.
Think about that before you mess with Danish people ageing.
We will send our sub to bombe meka with pick shit

PS can you get the Koran on CD? No, nobody wants to burn it.

At 3/01/2006 09:00:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: Anonymous at 12:34 PM,

Excellent posting. I moved last summer from Arhus after 3 yrs of living there. You've nailed the essence of what's been going on.

There is no shame on protecting your country and cultural identity. The fact there is a discussion regarding a violent and parasitic group unable and unwilling to assimilate is not being "phobic".

Don't turn into the English and be shamed into not displaying your flag because causes offense to foreigners.

Liv staerk og stolt (hope the grammar makes sense) ;-)

At 3/02/2006 01:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There is no anti-Islamic wave in Denmark before it’s was started with the pictures of our flag burning."

Anti-islamic vawe is a strong way to put it. DPP did say and write some nasty things about moslims and that was replied to by many other politicians. But I must disagree when you say that it was fairy-tale country before the fires started.

"If there is any think holy for the majority of use Danish it’s our flag."

Hmmm - holy? Really? I believe it's more the signal in burning our flag more than the flagburning per se. The correct way to dispose an old danish flag is to burn it.

"Actually burning our flag is like if we burned you Koran."

No - the difference is, that burning the Koran is against the law. Burning the danish flag is not against the law.
Maybe you feel it's the same.

"Think about that before you mess with Danish people ageing."

They can hit you real hard with their wheel-chairs.

"We will send our sub to bombe meka with pick shit"

I guess you mean pig s***. What a mess that would be and the equipment is not even suited for it. So I think you mean it as an insult. Frustrating ins't it? Not being able to do anything when you're really mad and feeling misunderstood?
I guess thats why DPP is attracting voters.
The first thing you should do, is to open your eyes. The majority of moslims in the world was not on the streets. And many has condemned the violent reactions. So calm down.

Another dane


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