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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Thursday, July 07, 2005

Conversation : Me and my Aunt

*The following exchange happend yesterday* Aunt: Did you see what they did to that Al-sherif guy in Iraq? How they are threatening to kill him now? (In her most "Oh mon dieu" voice) Isn't that just horrible? Sam: Well, I don't know about you, but i am kind of glad it happend! Aunt: (astonished) You are GLAD they kidnapped him? Sam: Yeah, I am glad. Maybe after they behead him like a goat, people here who are supporting those bastards will wake up and see what kind of people they are supporting! Aunt:(shocked) What? YOU WANT THE AMERICANS TO WIN? Sam: As opposed to them losing and having those guys take over Iraq? Hell Yeah! What? Do you want the americans out and those people in charge? Aunt: (speechless) ehh... Sam: (smiling) Your view on this situation isn't that Black and White anymore, is it?

40 Comments:

At 7/07/2005 06:54:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

They've killed him. I suggest you change your text out of respect.

 
At 7/07/2005 02:31:00 PM, Blogger Jas... said...

I don't think you need to change the text. An opinion is an opinion, and like it or not, perhaps now the Egyptian Public will open their eyes!
Excellent blog, my friend. I plan to return often!
:D
Jas...

 
At 7/07/2005 03:14:00 PM, Anonymous PE said...

I gotta say that I agree with karim elsahy. This was a despicable, despicable act and I don't see much good coming out of it. Most Egyptians are just blaming Mubarak for sending him...

 
At 7/07/2005 03:45:00 PM, Blogger gatorbait said...

I'm sorry, but somehow this murder is more deserving of respect than the murders of others? No, the Ambassador was a brave man , sent on a mission. He gets my utmost respect , as opposed to what I hold for his murderers and their apologists.

 
At 7/07/2005 07:33:00 PM, Anonymous Tina said...

They are blaming Mubarak for sending him? What on earth is the matter with them? Have they no pride?

Since when do Egyptians, the people with the oldest and greatest history on the face of the earth, cringe like frightened women and fear leaving their own country?

You have been insulted and you blame it on your leader?

 
At 7/07/2005 11:29:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Wasn't the job of America the occupier and the new Iraqi Gov. to protect this diplomat?

 
At 7/08/2005 06:13:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

Knowing: “behead him like a goat” is a bit disrespectful now that it has been carried out. While it worked as a shocker, his death now changes its perception. Something I’m sure Sand monkey will understand when he gets back from his trip.

And Tina: No sweetie, not every Egyptian blames our leader. Read some more of our blogs. Some of us know where to direct our anger.

Karim Elsahy

 
At 7/08/2005 10:08:00 AM, Blogger Jas... said...

The more I think about it, the more I understand what Karim Elsahy is saying. I also am beginning to agree that even this will not change the minds of those who believe that Mubarak is to blame.

When it comes right down to it, and all the smoke and mirrors of media attention is stripped away, this was simply another group of thugs killing a human being. And just like all the other instances in history of thugs killing human beings for their own short-sighted hatred, it was a horrid act that shall be punished in this lifetime, or the afterlife, whether they feel justified by it or not.

Any thoughts?
Jas...

 
At 7/08/2005 11:10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Karim...If you called me 'sweetie' like you just did another woman...I would be profoundly insulted. You show your contempt fror women. And you have the nerve to talk about respect? I guess that is only for men....

 
At 7/08/2005 11:37:00 AM, Anonymous Karim Elsahy said...

Kowing your dead on. By the way I read a bit of your short stories; they’re real good.
Anonymous (and Tina if you too were insulted) I’ve always called girls sweetie and guys buddy. (I think it stemmed from having a complete lack of short term memory) Anyway, no contempt intended, honest. But still don’t put your perception of a comment (even my crassness) on the same platform with the respect to the death of a man.

 
At 7/08/2005 01:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sick of people not supporting the Americans, but sucking them dry every chance they can get - not that your aunt is like this or anything, but I'm sick of the attitude.

Joanne

 
At 7/08/2005 01:41:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think slaughtering the Egyptian diplomat like a goat is a honest description before and after the deed because that is about as much feeling these murderers have for killing a human being as opposed to killing a goat for dinner. How sad for his family and friends!

Joanne

 
At 7/08/2005 02:30:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Karim...I know you didn't intend...but you don't realize that making women children is soul murder and in my view just as serious as the death of a man. I grew up in the US before women were respected as adults.

I know you didn't mean any harm but the thoughts behind it are painful.

But please understand...my own father's generation did this...its unconscious and not intentional.

By the way..I forgot to add thinker to my last post.

My best...
And no hard feelings...
'thinker'

 
At 7/08/2005 06:47:00 PM, Anonymous Tina said...

Karim, I didn't take it as an insult, I found it amusing since I'm old enough to be your mother.

I have a profound respect and affection for the Egyptian people and face it, lately I have been rather stunned at the change in them.

Every Egyptian I have ever known has been proud and kind. You sending an ambassador to Iraq was an important step for the leader of the Arab world. These thugs have just killed that ambassador, a good and brave man. So brave, and so sure he was safe because he was a fellow Muslim that he went out to get a paper without his bodyguards. Foolish? Yes, but he believed because he as an Arab and a Muslim and above all an Egyptian that he would be safe.

And twos, I love you dearly but you know as well as I do that the US is no longer the "occupier". There are only a very small handful of Iraqis who think we are and they are the ones who just beheaded the Egyptian ambassador. Are you sure you want to be on their side?

 
At 7/08/2005 06:49:00 PM, Anonymous Tina said...

On second thought karim, I just went to your website and see that you are only 26. In that case, I am old enough to be your grandmother. Show a little resect :o)

 
At 7/08/2005 11:40:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Grandma Tina,

I was asking about protection for the man from both the new Iraqi Gov. and the USA that still occupy Iraq. The minute our soldiers leave Iraq for good it will be free Iraq.

"Are you sure you want to be on their side? "

I know very well which side I'm on Grandma Tina. My views are clear and honest and for peace not violence and not war, that doesn't make me on the side of the terrorists does it?!

If at this age you can't refrain from posting such nonsense then you do have a lot to learn still. I think in real life you will get in legal trouble one day making such statements.

Next time think before you post any attempts of Intimidation to younger people.

 
At 7/08/2005 11:48:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Karim,

Last I heard women here in the US and Canada call each other sweetie and honey. Men call women honey and sweetie.

Anyway, Egyptians have respect for the dead because of our belief in God and respect to human life. Not so many people here believe that about Middle Easterns. Your request to remove the remark is valid and normal.

Let us hope that this despicable act won't discourage other Ambassadors to help to free this country from the death destruction and the suffering of the real people of Iraq.

 
At 7/09/2005 02:52:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Twoset...I have never been called 'sweetie' by a guy. Women yes....but NOT by a guy. You do not have my permission to father me. I don't know you and it has never occurred.

To be called 'sweetie by a 26 year old boy I have never met would be INSULTING!

By the way...Tina and I are considered the two balanced moderates on many blogs....

thinker

 
At 7/09/2005 10:20:00 AM, Anonymous Tina said...

twos, yes it does if you are unable to recognize who is the enemy, yes it does put you on their side.

After all, look at what has just happened to the British people because they were unable to differentiate between the good and moderate Muslims and those who do harm. Their kindness and generosity has been rewarded by those who would kill them. What kind of people seek refuge in a country and then turn on their hosts? If you don't love the country you are in, you leave it, you don't blow it up.

In Iraq, there are a small handful of people who are blowing things up. They're not blowing up Americans nearly as much as they are blowing up fellow Muslims. What gives them the right to do that? You do. With your acceptance of their barbarity, you are as responsible for those innocent deaths as those who fashion the bombs. You say you want peace, but you are unwilling to do what must be done to bring that peace. If left to you, the Iraqis would still be being shoved into mass graves, but that would be OK with you, wouldn't it? Because after all the one shoving people into mass graves was Muslim and the infidel who is trying to stop it is not. Where on earth is the logic to that? Where is the humanity in that?

For decades, long before the first Gulf War, the Iraqi people were deprived of decent medical care, proper farming implements, decent housing and clothes despite the fact that Iraq has vast oil wealth, that wealth should have been used to advance the lives of the Iraqi people. The infrastructure we are rebuilding was not destroyed in the war, it was destroyed through 30 years of neglect. The people with the right connections had electricity, palaces, drove Mercedes and they drove right past people who were living in unimaginable poverty. Millions were used as cannon fodder in a war with Iran. That doesn't even begin to speak of those children buried in mass graves with bullet holes in the backs of their little heads.

In the short time we have been there we have found that if you give the Iraqi people an opportunity, they will build businesses and feed their own children without handouts. If you give the farmers proper seed and the proper impliments, they will produce enough food to feed their families and have sufficient left over to sell.

It's a shame you can't see that. The reason you can't see that is because you refuse to see it.

 
At 7/09/2005 11:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tina, it is very unlikely that neighboring Muslim countries want to see anything good come of Iraq's liberation due to ENVY! It is much easier to blame everything and anything on Big Bad America - perpetrators always see themselves as victims and unfortunately, most Muslims see themselves this way - as victims - because they have been told over and over again that everything bad in their lives is the fault of Israel and America. The bottom-line in reality is everything bad in their lives is due to their inability and desire to stand up and fight for their freedom and challenge their oppressors. Fear causes them to cower, whilst Israel and American will not be cowed and will fight to the death for their liberty.

Joanne

 
At 7/09/2005 01:10:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

Tina and Joane,

I'm not a muslim and I am a citizen of the United States of America. Half Americans are against the war. 100's thousands of people went out in the streets of NY, SF and millions all over the world said NO to the war.


They are not terrorists. The rest of your ranting is out of topic. I have asked for protection of the man who is an ambassador to Iraq that is run by a new Iraqi Gov under the occupation of the United States Not Liberation.

What happened in Great Britain is a hanious act and stems from the same groups arabs called terrorists a long time ago back in the 80's and 90's arabs kicked out those who went to Afghanistan to fight on behalf of the Americans against the Russians.

It is sad to see the the previous support of America to Bin Laden and Taliban back fired on innocent Americans and Brits. The administration in charge is responsible and so are those who vote for them.

Save your strokes ladies we disagree on fundemantal issues here.

God bless those souls who are wasted for no reason and God protect their little ones and families. God bless the souls of our soldiers who died and still die.

May God bring more peace in this world and help this administration to understand the horrors of war (not liberation)

 
At 7/09/2005 02:14:00 PM, Anonymous Tina said...

twos, you may be a citizen of the United States, but you certainly are not American.

Whether you are Muslim or not is not the question, it's the fact that you condone what is being done and claim it is somehow OUR fault.

Did you think the Afghan people deserved what the Soviets were doing to them? Have you read anything about that time? Yes, we supported those who were fighting for the people of Afghanistan, and it's not our fault they turned out to be filthy inside and immoral, godless people. The thing was to save the people of Afghanistan. Our mistake was pulling away too soon after the Soviets were defeated there.

It's people like you who always think everything is America's fault who are the cause of so much death and destruction. You "claim" to want peace, but you will walk right past an atrocity and never lift a finger to stop it.

No, you're not an American. You may live here, you may claim citizenship, but you are definitely NOT an American.

 
At 7/09/2005 02:42:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

I'm an American whether you like it or not Grandma Tina. Go and do your gardening it may calm you down and give you some peace and hope.

This is the end of my replies to your childish ranting.

 
At 7/09/2005 02:59:00 PM, Anonymous Shari said...

Karim & Twosret,

The US is divided and it is clear in this forum how divided it is. Tina and others doesn't respect different point of views. They have to attack you Twosret and claim that you are the enemey to feel better about their support to the American policies.

Tina, get off your high horses and accept that a lot of Americans are like Twosret and belive the same.

Your tactics are cheap and I think Twosret and Karim showed respect that you don't deserve. They are a much better cultured, civilized American than you are.

 
At 7/09/2005 03:15:00 PM, Anonymous tina said...

Well, we're not all that divided as a country. After all, one side has the house, the senate and the Whitehouse and you side has.....oh, that's right, your side has nothing!

 
At 7/09/2005 08:21:00 PM, Anonymous John K said...

Tina,

We are obsessive compulsive aren't we? Americans like you sound extreme and more dangerous than terrorists.

 
At 7/09/2005 10:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems the liberals are a tad envious of the republicans - too bad, so sad, wah!

Tina's neither dangerous, nor on a high-horse, she's just simply 'right.'

Twosret - if the American forces are an occupation, then why has an Iraqi government/representatives been elected by eight million Iraqi people; I suppose their vote doesn't count, just yours. The Iraqi government wants the Americans to stay - get over it! Maybe you should ask the Iraqis oppressed under Saddam's regime to see if they have been liberated or not, instead of voicing your opinion of no consequence.

Joanne

 
At 7/10/2005 12:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"After all, look at what has just happened to the British people because they were unable to differentiate between the good and moderate Muslims and those who do harm. Their kindness and generosity has been rewarded by those who would kill them. What kind of people seek refuge in a country and then turn on their hosts? If you don't love the country you are in, you leave it, you don't blow it up."


This statement shows that you are the most ignorant moron on Planet Earth. British-Arabs are not all refugees, they are part of the society and contribute to it like any British Citizen. They have outstanding doctors and lawyers that the queen call them Sir and Mr. you are an ignorant old fart that knows nothing about politics or countries and immigration.

England's wealth is based on colonaization and owe those nations a lot, the least that they can do is to help other nations by immigration or other means.

Ireland, Spain had terrorism and still have problems.

America is all about immigrants you idiot, no one is more American than the other. Once you hold your passport officially you are an American.

Eat more burgers, fries, fried turkey and keep getting fat. Your brain cells are damaged you two.

 
At 7/10/2005 03:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haha...the US was certainly an expensive colony! They lost money.

 
At 7/10/2005 05:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"British-Arabs are not all refugees, they are part of the society and contribute to it like any British Citizen." by Anonymous

If you consider them to be part of the society, then why do you refer to them as British-Arabs, and not simply British. Because there is a difference between being British - English, Scottish, Welch, Cornish, and Irish - and being a British citizen; one is by the British race and the other by citizenry. This would be no different for an Englishman anywhere in the Middle East - he could call himself for example an Egyptian, but he would still be considered to be British - can't change bloodlines. People in America identify with their heritage also.

No doubt people of all races contribute to society and should feel as one with their fellow countrymen; unfortunately, not all people feel this way. When terrorists slaughter their fellow countrymen, then who do these Islamic terrorists identify themselves with and how do we set them apart from other decent Muslims?

"England's wealth is based on colonaization and owe those nations a lot, the least that they can do is to help other nations by immigration or other means." by Anonymous

Say what! ....not the owe me crap....

Dumbass Detector

 
At 7/10/2005 06:06:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alright Dumbass you proved to be one. I was refering to a previous posting by the Dumbass Tina....Read first before you make a dumbass out of yourself.

Yes Dumbass England Owes it's wealth to India,Egypt and other countries.

"When terrorists slaughter their fellow countrymen, then who do these Islamic terrorists identify themselves with and how do we set them apart from other decent Muslims?"

When a Jewish spy or a criminal Rabi or a Timothy Macvey blow up we don't name the rest of their communities terrorists.

Do we dumbass?

 
At 7/10/2005 09:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The colonization of India gave it a legal system and some democracy that has laid the basis for the fact that India will do very much better than China in this century.

England owes the world nothing. She has given much more than she has taken.

 
At 7/10/2005 09:53:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHAHAAHHAHAA so England colonized India and Egypt to enforce democracy and political policies and gained nothing out of it!

Laughing Out Loud

 
At 7/10/2005 11:04:00 PM, Anonymous PE said...

Wow. How sad and pathetic. All this "I am right" crap and nonsense. So far, no one here is right. There are tons of Americans who agree with Tworset and they are just as American as those delusioned enough to think America is still wanted in Iraq. At the same time, the utter lack of any regard for this man's life is appalling. His life and legacy should not be thrown around as a means to further a political end. After all, that is what the terrorists do, isn't it?

 
At 7/11/2005 09:55:00 AM, Anonymous Don Cox said...

"so England colonized India and Egypt to enforce democracy and political policies and gained nothing out of it! "
_____We gained a lot out of conquering India: exposure to a rich and ancient culture which added a new dimension to British culture. The arrival of many Indians in Britain. (The percentage of Indians in Britain is now greater than the percentage of British in India.) The difficult problem of getting out of India was solved peacefully, and this led the way to the rapid unwinding of the rest of the Empire with a minimum of strife. ___I don't think we got much out of dominating Egypt, which was never really part of the British Empire as India was.

 
At 7/11/2005 03:17:00 PM, Anonymous PE said...

Really? You didn't get much out of Egypt? Just millions, if not billions, of pounds from Suez Canal revenue. Just an easy causeway to reach your other colonies in India and trade with them. Just a place to base your army to work against the Nazi invasion. It was British troops stationed in Egypt that stopped Rommel's advancement in al-Alamein. Had they not, Hitler surely would have taken Jerusalem and climbed that moral-boosting mountain for German troops as well as increase vastly the amount of land under Nazi control and give Jews basically no where to run. Britain got a lot more out of preventing further Nazi advancement than it ever did out of India. Oh, and don't forget that after World War II the British government owed to Egyptian government 500 million British pounds, a hefty sum at the time.

 
At 7/11/2005 03:26:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 
At 7/11/2005 04:01:00 PM, Anonymous PE said...

I appreciate your sympathy Tworset but to say that these people have a mentality that is more dangerous than that of a terrorist is not only a gross exaggeration but insulting and offensive at the same time. These people just say things that are stupid to people who disagree with them. Terrorists kill those who disagree (and sometimes those who don't) with them. The difference between the two is beyond comparison.

 
At 7/11/2005 11:39:00 PM, Blogger Twosret said...

PE,

I took back my comment because it was based on emotional frustration rather than rational thinking.

I still think that some hate on this board towards different opinions especially arabs is some sort of danger. When you disagree with them and they know you are arab they call you a terrorist.

Thanks for correcting me.

 
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