*The following is an IM conversation between 2 egyptian muslims, one of them is me, who are not affiliated with Lurpak in any way. However, Lurpak company people, if you feel like paying me, the Paypal button is on your right. Before you read this, be forewarned: You may never look at Lurpak the same way again.*
Mrs. Robinson: so going to hell for that one. i just know it!
me: ehh. we all are!
Mrs. Robinson: i know.
me: at least that's where all the smart people will be
me: I mean
Mrs. Robinson: but also the STUPID PEOPLE
me: people who think that the prophet will reward them for not buying butter and cheese drive me crazy
me: “See, u were a good person all ur life, but u bought Lurpak, So, like, u have to go to hell"
Mrs. Robinson: HAHAHAHAHA
me: I love that they are burning cheese in demonstrations dude
Mrs. Robinson: yeah, classic
me: "You have mocked our prophet in ur cartoon, so we shall BURN YOUR CHEESE!"
Mrs. Robinson: HAHA
me: u know?
me: One of my readers said that it's like something out of Monthy Python or something.
Mrs. Robinson: DEATH TO ALL CHEESE
me: yes
Mrs. Robinson: totally
me: YES
me: Love the prophet? Burn Butter
Mrs. Robinson: BURN THAT BUTTER
Mrs. Robinson: HAHA
me: aww
me: that sounds dirty
Mrs. Robinson: hilarious
me: just trying to burn that butter dude
me: she won’t let me burn that butter
Mrs. Robinson: haha
Mrs. Robinson: dude, i totally burned her butter last night
me: NICE
me: Her butter is burned
me: No more butter in that baby
me: just torched that sweet butter
Mrs. Robinson: my butter's on fire
me: You make my butter burn
Mrs. Robinson: melt it, melt it
me: LOL
Mrs. Robinson: ah, yeah, I’m burnin butter
me: Ohh baby, you know how I like it when you melt my butter
Mrs. Robinson: HA
me: Ok
me: this should be a blog entry
Mrs. Robinson: totally, but DONT WRITE MY NAME
me: Ok
me: when I think Butter, all I think about is Butterface
Mrs. Robinson: haha
Mrs. Robinson: that could be bad
me: u know? Butterface
Mrs. Robinson: dude, i buttered her ass
Mrs. Robinson: shes such a butterface
me: yeah
me: buttered her ass
me: ewwww. lol
me: mental image
me: scary visual mental place
Mrs. Robinson: ewwwwwwwwwww
me: that would so be in a rap video
Mrs. Robinson: i was totally butterfacing her
Mrs. Robinson: LOL
me: black guy buttering a black girl's big Butt with butter
me: Say that 3 Times
me: Anyway, back to the video
Mrs. Robinson: HAHA
me: R. Kelly music in the background
me: “baby let me Butter your butt”
me: “Once you put Lurpak on that crack, there is no going back!”
Mrs. Robinson: AND THAT’S WHY WE SHOULD: BUY LURPAK!
me: LoL
Mrs. Robinson: "LURPAK. The sexy butter"
me: LOL
me: just put some Lurpak on that sexy crack
Mrs. Robinson: LOL
Mrs. Robinson: Lurpak that ass
me: that would be a great phrase
me: I lurpaked her ass
Mrs. Robinson: dude, we totally lurpaked last night. like, all night, butter, butter, butter
me: Goddamn it. Lurpaked again
Mrs. Robinson: hey, wanna lurpak?
me: She won’t let me lurpak her ass man. She ain’t kinky like that
Mrs. Robinson: HA
me: let's lurpak baby
me: here is a phrase that just sounds wrong in my head
me: “Lurpak that cow”
Mrs. Robinson: HAHAHAHAHAHA
Mrs. Robinson: she lurpaked like a cow
me: aww
me: lol
me: lol
me: wow
me: so copying and pasting this
Mrs. Robinson: dude, her lurpak is so buttery
me: lol
me: u r killing me
Mrs. Robinson: hilarious. But dude, not my name. Like, not even *. my ******* will totally know!!
me: ******** reads my blog?
me: ******** reads me?
Mrs. Robinson: sometimes
Mrs. Robinson: hehe
Mrs. Robinson: yes
me: lol
me: Now That's scary
Mrs. Robinson: hilarious
me: ok
me: give me ur stage name
me: we shall call u NIKITA
Mrs. Robinson: but I should get a cool pseudonym ok??
Mrs. Robinson: NO. Way more fun
me: ok
me: give me one
Mrs. Robinson: Mrs. Robinson
me: u r so perverted, I love it! lol
Mrs. Robinson: it's hilarious
me: can’t believe u went there
me: awesome
Mrs. Robinson: of course. It was the first thing that popped into my mind
me: hehe
me: good ole Mrs. Robinson
me: how we all wanted one
Mrs. Robinson: not me
me: well yeah
me: guys did!
Mrs. Robinson: i was perfectly happy with a Mr. Robinson
me: everyone wanted to Lurpak that Cow
Mrs. Robinson: HAHAHAHAHA
74 Comments:
That is sooo wrong. LOL
"*The following is an IM conversation between 2 egyptian muslims" if anything, this doesn't look like two muslims are talking.
me: people who think that the prophet will reward them for not buying butter and cheese drive me crazy
me: “See, u were a good person all ur life, but u bought Lurpak, So, like, u have to go to hell"
I think it will be more like "I'm Glad you take a stand against those who mocked me, and made fun or your sacred symbols"
In all my life i havent seen such stupidity..coming from supposedly educated folks.
It has come to my attention that pharmacists have published an ad in the cairo papers demkanding from doctores not to prescribe any danish medication & to scribble any substitute!!! Has it come down to such lunacy with people's lives?? & the stupid patients have asked not to be given any!!!!!!!!!!!
Half of Egypt is diabetic & the major Insulin medication there is Danish, whats wrong with people?? is everyone deranged or hypocrite??
doesnt the wording bug the hell out of you? onshorha lenasrt 7abibk...i mean, Moahmed doesnt need my or our support for his help, he is above it but now someone wants to boycott the whole of the EU !! they are getting smart, very smart in Idiocy i mean. Now they are treading on uncharted waters in retardland. who needs who more?
Those people have no brains & deserve whatever consequences will come in he future.
jokerman,
I think it's pretty obvious what they meant, but in case you missed it, let me break it down for you.
all they meant if there are substitutions(which they gave specific names)then it's better to use the one which is not made in Denmark, it's like changing Cocacola for Meccacola , it wouldn't kill you, or would it ?
Also, no one said to stop taking your medicine or if you were a doctor to stop prescribing Danish medicine if it has no equal alternative!
All I can say is: check Marlon Brando and Maria Schneider out in the movie "Ultimo tango a Parigi(1972)" in the scene on the kitchen table...
Everything has been done before ;)
Brando totally lurpaked Schneiders butt LOL
ahmad,
Let me break it down for you:
A)Insulin, like any medication, comes in different brands, which are received differently by the patients. Like one patient will use a certain brand cause it's the kind that works best for their kind of diabities. It's the one that suits their body. You mess with that, you mess with their bodies and the way they function.
B)Denmark produces 70% of Egypt's insulin. 30% of Egypt's population has diabeties. That means that 70% of that population will not have their insulin-WHICH THEY NEED TO FUCKIN LIVE- if the pharmacists follow the grossly irresponsible example of the doctors' syndicate and actually retrun the insulin.
C)If that's the case, and following the rules of supply and demand, and add to that the fact that some patients- who are so eager to prove their faith like the doctors- refuse to take danish Insulin, the demand for the american insulin will skyrocket, stocks will be depleted within days, leaving shitloads of people (Ehh I dunno, 70%?)without their insulin, which will cause them fatigue and later on DEATH. They will be dead ya Ahmad. DEAD. GOT THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL????!!!
Thankfully in Egypt, we have a good percentage of christian pharmacists who will probably have enough responsibility not follow this foolishness and will not boycott danish insulin. They should act as a buffer for a while, but will not be able to last for long if this keeps idiocy keeps up, and PEOPLE WILL DIE! My People Ahmad. That's not cool by me, and I am ready to bet the farm that it is not cool by the prophet.
Unbelieveable...
Anon, I know. I saw it. LOL
Hey you LURPAK-BUTTER-Guys,
wonderful to see, that such a mind-refreshing conversation is possible in ME - hehe.
But I am concerned, that your imams will just feel confirmed in their ideological view, that western education leads to - well - perversion in the end.
But I have to admit, that I was always thinking like you on the endless possibilities on bringing danish butter into my personal live.
Oh man, ok, i will try to be a civilized man the rest of this day...and buy danish butter.
It looks like Lurpak butter is multifunctional. The Lurpak people should use this in their next ad campaign
I really hope that Lurpak is unsalted because if it's not it could lead to hardening of the arteries while you are doing something like that...practice safe Lurpak I say.
Hey SandMonkey,
Do you really believe this scenario?? I liked the part when the stocks are depleted, it almost sounded real :)
I have just checked with some pharmacist friend and he confirmed to me that switching your insulin brand is not life threatening at all, at most you might need a transition period to get it done, because there are exact matches for the Danish one in the market, inshaAllah they are not going to be "DEAD" ya SandMonkey, you only have to do what you can, right? Anyway let's leave this for doctors to decide.
Meanwhile, boycotting Lurpak wouldn't leave anyone dead, would it? Just boycott the butter please.
PS. there's really no need to be profane!
ahmad,
u r of course aware of the panic factor, right? Like people I know who went and bought 4 months worth of insulin because they don't know how long this retadedness will continue. Now, if they did that, and everyone else did that, and they did that while boycotting the danish insulin- or had the pharmacist do it for them- ehh, do I really have to paint that picture for you again?
Man, you have no idea how serious people in Egypt are about this, and how the hyping up of this whole thing have made them feel like mujahedeen and shit, and some will go as far as being willing to die instead of taking insulin from those danish kafarah who insulted el rassoul. You don't see how this is going to happen ya Basha? Ehh, whatever, innocent people will die, and when they do, I hope you will be happy.
As for the danish cows, they never hurt nobody. 2 men, a cartoonist and an editor, published those cartoons. Not gonna demand the punishment of a whole country for what 2 men did. I still stand by my initial judgment- which gets proven right more and more every day- that this is retarded. I am just trying to help end this before anyone else dies or gets hurt, something you seem to not care about at all.
And FYI: my profanity is the least of your problems.
Ahmad
such prejudism is purely idiocy.
what do a few stupid cartoons have to do with pharmaceutical or dairy products?or how can you link them even??
Let me break down your hypocrisy for your & lay it before your own prejudiced eyes.
You simply generalise, like any ignorant moron does. So when an arab or any muslim blows up themselves or kills someone claiming its God's decrees, it equallymeans that all arabs & muslims are guilty too, right??
according to your ideology or method of blaming, that is the way it should go & if you dont agree, then you are a hypocrite, you can boycott the newspaper, but since that wont domuch, you want to hurt others whoi have nothing to do with the cartoons. how brilliant & smart are you??
you ask others to respect you when you do not respect them, you ask others to refrain from generalising while you dabble in it yourself.
Who said the Prophet will reward those who boycotted danish products? what rubbish!! why dont you go & read about the guy who used to mock him, face to face, in the madina & what he did to him..his name so you dont confuse it with anyone else as you will definitely will as your sort always does, is al 7akkam ibn el 3as, & while you are at it mr. muslim whos is jealous for his religion,( yes i am mocking you) see who brought him back against the wishes of others.
ahmad, you are just another bigot who thinks he knows it all while blind to his own prejudism & hypocrisy, 2al break it down to me 2al.
Ahmad, did anyone tell you before that egyptian insulin is the substitute of water and not mixtard?? It's absolutely ineffective, people who tried it switched back to mixtard to save their lives! I guess that's why the suggested substitute in the paper was Humulin H 40, which is american by the way (I thought American was bad too, actually the syndicate of pharmacist issued a boycott of american pharmaceutical companies) and another thing, the paper even printed the name wrong, it said "Insulin H mix 40" instead of "Humulin H 40" . It makes you wonder if the doctors know what they are doing too.. Grow up!
Another interesting point, the Danish insulin "Novo nordesk mistard" (the effective one) is the cheapest of all because it is "moda33am".. so with this boycott, people will have to buy the expensive Humulin H 40 or the less effective still more expensive Insulin Vacsera!
mixtard is 6.4 LE, vacsera is 12 LE
& while we are at it, hey big brains ahmad...what about Jerry Falwell who worse stuff than the silly cartoons, why hasnt Saudi Arabia done anything to it? they didnt pull their ambassador & no boycott was called for. Which is worse you think/ some ignorant stupid cartoons or vociferous comments from a televangelist? if you choose the latter, then wny hasnt anything been done about it? no committee went to the US to demand an apology, whats the catch then? simply its hypocrisy, its easier to intimidate Denmark than the US, saudi arabia cannot upset the US but can do so with denmark.
Boycott a whole nation because a few drew silly cartoons just proves how immature & stupid those who call for it are. What if western countries adopt the same stupid method & boycott middle eastern & muslim countries over seeing christ as merely a prophet, try to imagine big brains how the picture would be, you canno stand on your own, you cannot live on your own. Look around you & you will see how many things in your life is connected to the western world, i dare you to throw it all out & boycott them all. remember Germany, italy, france & spain also published them..so tell me how can you get around boycotting the whole world & what good will it do?
Why not burn Voltaire & Dante too? & boycott France forever, dont forget the veil ban aswell ahmaD, they banned a head cover that isnt compulsory or of religion to begin with, & ohyes i have proof for what i say from books you yourself cannot deny, withiout any twisting verses or playing around them as you & your sort do. Try & grow some brain cells is my advice.
Shamoussa
Thank you, thank you for providing this interesting Info.
Do you think someone will benefit if the danish insulin is boycotted & substituted with american insulin?
I can smell a rat here, dont you?
Novo Nordisk is a company that does basic resesearch, and has some unique medicines.
http://www.novologmix70-30.com/
Anybody who demands that people boycott their medicine on a religious basis is asking them to "drink the purple Koolaid."
Valerie
Ahmad should feel free to boycutt all he wants.
But what is it he want to achieve?
Either he just want to hurt the whole people of Denmark (and rest of EU because they alse printed the cartoons).
Or he wants to send the message to Denmark that we (yes I'm danish) did something wrong and we have to apologize and we have to make sure that the same thing will not happen in the future.
Well the newspaper have apologized to have offended the muslims feelings. The goverment can't apologize because it was an independant newspaper and the publication of the cartoons is within the free speech (by the way the authorities in Denmark is investigating whether the newspaper have been guilty of blasphemy (yes there's a law about blasphemy)). So coming back to what Ahmad wants from the boycut is an apology. But an apology giving under such circumstances is not a sincere apology. And then the boycutt have not achieved it's purpose other than shoving that the paper was right in the first place : that radical muslims do influence the free speech of free societies of the west...
http://www.nerdherdstudios.com/flag/
SM, here's another link for Sandmonkey in the press. You've made it to the german media, jawohl!
http://www.welt.de/data/2006/02/15/846038.html
cheers
Great song,
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/810
at the site you'll find a translated danish article about how many danes feel these days. The headline says it all : "We are being pissed upon"
So dear boycutters and flagburners : congrats, you have accomplished... absolutely nothing.
Ahmad,
So..what do you know? You are not the same Ahmad who provided the peacefull islamic solutions from my 7 questions post. Huh. Sure, u never claimed you were, but u showed urself there and when I asked you about it, u never denied it. Liked the respect your deception gave you, huh?
Well FUCK YOU MY FRIEND. With that out of the way for me to count, you have proven to be nothing but another retard from that campaign. And here I was thinking to myself that you couldn't possibly be same person, that the other ahmad sounded way too smart for your kind of rhetoric. And what do you know? I was right.
No more wasting time with the likes of you now. Continue barking doggie, just don't expect a response! Idiots rarely get one over here!
Ahmad has a right to feel pissed off by the publication of the drawings. They (especially the one with the bomb in the turban) are offensive to religious sentiment. But all the Danes who are innocent in this matter also have a right to feel pissed on. Is it right that hundreds of Danes have lost their jobs in some Danish towns because of a boycott they have no share in?
For the muslims the prophet is sacred. For the Danes their constitutional civil rights and welfare society is sacred.
Both parts must try to understand and accept the different value systems. It calls for some tolerance and understanding.
To cosmic duck: well put but you left out all the sane people on both "sides(now you made me define muslims on one side and danes on the other... hate when it happens)" that try to mend the ever increasing gab....
To all: how did the discusion go from butter (and what to do with it if any) to insulin? Is it just me or aren't there like no likeness?
hmm think I just answerred my ow n question...
denmark
If you really must just buy from other companies...
If it makes you feel better :)
a dane...
I was never a big consumer of butter, but now Lurpak looks kinda attractive, thanks to you SM. Brando wasn't very persuasive, BTW.
"PS. there's really no need to be profane!"
PPS to Ahmad: that specific need is in the eye of the beholder. Well, in this case in the asshole of the beholder's girl/boy friend, you know whatcha mean...
Cows can not be muslims. With the exception of SM and few others they definately make more sence when the open their mouth.
Dane – getting bored with muslim retoric.
Sorry - I missed a "y"
Bored Dane
Cosmic Duck and blogging.
I find it kind of hard to take someone seriously, who sees no problem depicting a naked prisoner in a sexual act uncensored on his or her blog, while Mohammed is blurred out.
In my eyes you are a sellout and I pitty you.
It may be your twisted idea of showing respect, but how about showing some respect for those prisoners. They are real people after all - they cry and laugh and they have families and perhaps kids and they have favourite meals and dreams about going places. Cartoons don't!!
OH YEAH, SANDMONKEY??
WELL LURPAK YOU, MAN! LURPAK YOU!
It's good to hear moderate, informed views from both sides of this imaginary fence.
After a bit of reading, I'm beginning to believe that for some islamic extremists, cartoons or any other alleged offense are not the real issue.
The real issue is they seek a conflict with "The West", as if fighting us for any reason is their mandate from Allah.
I suppose it gives idle hands something to do, but when innocent people are hurt and killed over their fervor, that gets to me.
To be fair, the west has their share of extremists too: Christian fundamentalists. I know this lot far better than other extremists, but my dislike is just the same. While many are peaceful, if ignorant people, others harbor violent animosities towards people unlike them. I've witnessed firsthand their deep hatred for people of different religions, sexual orientation, stance on abortion, etc. Many will not be satisfied until a christian government is established in America. Sound familiar? It sure does to me.
To be sure, I see troubling developments in the middle east, but I think Americans should look long at hard at our own problems first, than assume to know how to fix problems abroad. I doubt we'll ever be thanked by a muslim country for fixing their problems.
Dear anonymous.
You're right. I have removed the offensive picture from my blog. My intention was not to offend anybody. Actually you could not see the persons' faces. So you could not determine who they are. These are also pictures that can be found many places on the internet. My purpose was to discuss freedom of speech. I have tried to write a more lengthy article about this on my blog. In a Danish and European context it is rather complicated.
I think it is important to get a full description of the European point of view in this matter. It may defuse some of the tension. Many Danes are actually very unhappy about the uproar that the drawings have caused. And they feel sad about it causing loss of human lives.
Viva la France!
Check these two guys. Watch the movie - you just have to scroll down in order to read the article in english.
KeyWords: Islamic demonstration and two guys with pro-danish signs/clothing.
http://labaf.blogspot.com/2006/02/la-baf-crash-la-manif-des-islamistes.html
Amazing they lived to tell the tale ;-)
Grumpy Dane
and this is how the whole cartoon thing got started. people having fun and other people getting offended and not getting the point.
this post was about butter, people, BUTTER.
no need to get all up in arms. plenty of lurpak to go around.
:)
Hey Mohammed!
People are drawing you!
Anon @ 2:39, you beat me to this man, I too couldn't help but think about that kitchen scene in Last Tango in Paris while reading SM's dialogue, it fits as a perfect companion to the whole conversation.
couldn't figure
what the hell's going on during the entire movie though,
and although I realize this was the seventies, still this Maria Schneider chick could have gone a little bit easy on the hair or her not so good looks,
better yet they could've brought in one of those super pretty and more than willing french actresses from the seventies (Marie-France Pisier who stared in the Other side of midnight would've been perfect).
Great music score though.
Hmm. If she is Mrs. Robinson, are you planning to marry her daughter by any chance? (Smiling with an evil grin and ready to duck if something is thrown at me...)
Hi Sandmonkey,
I'm the reader who mentioned in my email that "You have insulted the Prophet so we burn your cheese in effigy!" sounds like a Monty Python skit, so I'm glad to see that my comment added a little to your amusement. :)
And, since I think most of the serious issues have already been well covered here, I'll just contribute a bit more absurdity by asking:
Why do defining moments of a debate about blasphemy and free speech keep centering on FOOD?
The very first story I read about this whole debacle mentioned the now-infamous CHEESE-burning, and of course boycotting DANISH DAIRY PRODUCTS has been a running theme.
Yesterday, the protest story and photo making front-page news was of the attack on KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN in Peshawar. And what, we might wonder, does KFC have to do with cartoons, Denmark, blasphemy, etc.? Are these protesters really pro-Islam or are they just ANTI-FOOD?
And now the other side joins the fray:
Italian politician Roberto Calderoli has put the offending cartoons on t-shirts which he plans to wear as a counter-protest and distribute to likeminded citizens. The general idea, of course, is that Europeans shouldn't be bullied into giving up free speech. It is worth noting, however, that in urging Westerners to stand up for their freedoms, he asks: "What are we becoming? The civilisation of MELTED BUTTER?"
I think we should keep an eye on this insidious FOOD CONNECTION!
hey, I never said she was *MY* Mrs. Robinson. Just that she is one.
There are many many Mrs. Robinson's my friend, and luckily (or unluckily) not all of them have daughters.
it's always the butter. Always comes down to the Butter.
Motherlurpaker!
Well, I think I had that same converstation with someone myself, but there was substance abuse involved, so I have my excuses on file.
Anyway,
If some of these extremists would just carry around a camera screener, they would have known what it looked like burning a Ronald McDonald, and how that wasn't going to up their street cred any.
Especially with Ronald's arabic cousin there in the foreground taking his photo-op whereever he could get it.
Maybe that's why there has been so quit in Denmark since the boycott started. We have a lot of extra butter....
Elengil,
"He's standing up against those Muslims whose actions mock your self-proclaimed peaceful religion and whose violence and hatred make and utter mockery of your sacred symbols!"
It's not that I disagree with what you're saying. I don't. But you should know that the embassy-torchers & the suicide-bombers don't believe in any "self-proclaimed peaceful religion". Infact they hate that phrase. They consider those who use it turncoats, traitors, appeasers, sellouts, appeasers etc....So mocking that concept is the wrong thing to do if you're trying to mock them.
I personally think it's a contradiction in terms. You can't have a religion of peace - unless it's peace with yourself & God. Religion should have nothing to do with war & peace. That's politics. Politics are about you & other people. Religion should be about you & God.
People can have different religions. But the rules for how you treat others have got to be the same for everyone if we are all going to share this one little planet.
This is why I believe in seperating religion from politics. Religion should be sacred and it can only stay sacred if it's kept out of politics. If political Islamists & their extremist fringe organizations didn't persist in dragging our religion into politics there would have been no call for others to mock or insult our sacred symbols when they really want to criticize our politics.
Victoria, you said,
"Italian politician Roberto Calderoli has put the offending cartoons on t-shirts which he plans to wear as a counter-protest and distribute to likeminded citizens. The general idea, of course, is that Europeans shouldn't be bullied into giving up free speech."
My question is would he be so willing to excercise his freedom of speech by wearing a swastika, or child porn material, would you still admire him so much? And please don't tell me this is different, it's exactly the same, both are offensive and hate inspiring. What's happening here is a tit for tat action between moslem fanatics and western right wing fanatics like your italian politician, which is essentialy a dialogue between extremists (which they're absolutely enjoying by the way) coined as a cultural clash, whose main objective on both sides is to pour more gas on the flame. Leaving ordinary moslems who had nothing to do with the violence feeling offended and victimized and that they're fair game, and ordinary danes who had nothing to do with the cartoon feeling equally being collectively punished and loathed for something they didn't do.
So, can you tell me again, what purpose is your italian friend serving by those T-shirts?
Pause a for a moment & use your brain a little bit more instead of resorting to the dark depths of the human animal instinct of deep rooted bigotry and unacceptance of the other.
Amen to that Loulou.
Couldn't have been better put than you did.
Ahmad -
If it were not for the Danish paper explaining that the drawings were of Mohammed ... would there be rioting over them? Without the labels, I saw one excellent watercolor (that could have been Jesus), some stereotypical "Muslim bad guy" cartoons, and some others that had no apparent meaning (as a Buddhist, I liked the line-up one).
The cartoon violence has shown me how truly weak Islam is. It is so feeble that a few pen-scratches can control the actions of thousands of the so-called faithful.
Your imams, instead of working to help the faithful build inner strength to resist Western culture, demand that we remove anything that might distract their followers. That means that the so-called faithful are weak, easily turned from the supposed True Religion, and that Islam can't survive outside a tightly-controlled hothouse environment where its followers will not have to be strong, because there will be no temptations.
Living according to the Islamic rules is EASY when all means of breaking them are removed from your life. Living the rules where it is possible to break them, and choosing to follow them anyway ... that is faith.
I agree completely with what anon said...
Islam is feeling under attack and there is a heightened sensitivity, that's understandable, but the turbans do feel as if their grip is loosening and if they don't put a death grip on their believers it will all slip away from them.
It's a tense situation for the faithful to be in.
Islam is definitely bending under the winds of change, and we Westerners are breathing as hard as we can along with it, to see if we can bend Islam down further.
But whose fault is that, since we were quite content to have Islam come live beside us in the shape of Muslim families?
I disagree Mohammed that the wearing tee-shirts with child-porn or swastikas would be an identical situation...
We would have the opportunity to view an IDENTICAL situation if the Italian leader wore t-shirts with cartoons featuring the pope or Jesus on them. Personally I hope he does on follow-up.
That will outrage a few Catholics, but I think we can be pretty sure there won't be riots of Catholics world-wide burning the Italian flag or cartons of biscotti (especially not the almond ones, those are my favorites).
now thats just downright funny
That means that the so-called faithful are weak, easily turned from the supposed True Religion, and that Islam can't survive outside a tightly-controlled hothouse environment where its followers will not have to be strong, because there will be no temptations.
Not content with controlling their own people, these religious authorities now try to control the behavior of non-muslims. True or not, a lot of people don't like feeling controlled this way, and now might just do things to get their point across, such as fashioning an effigy of Muhammad from Havarti cheese.
"Westerners" have been mocking their own religions for years. Take a look at the boxing nun, or Buddy Jesus, or the movie "Dogma"
In defense of themselves, a few have insisted out that Christians don't like their sacred icons mocked either. Certainly that's true for the most pious of followers, but where are the riots and death threats over "Buddy Jesus"? The Christian faith must be slipping, because it no longer feels the need to punish every offense. I'm glad a few Muslims are teaching us the proper way to respond to religious disrespect.
Angie, I'm not talking about the feelings of the rioters, I'm talking about those who got offended without rioting, rgarding the pope or jesus analogy, lets's assume someone wore a T-shirt with a catholic priest touching or cuddling a child (which no one would dare to do, rightfully so by the way, although their right to free speech allows them to do so), and let's assume nobody riots, this still would needlessly offend and insult millions of non pedophilic catholics without achieving any tangible beneficial purpose except hurting them in a very sensitive area as their religion, and the hypocrisy of it is that it won't be viewed as a free speech right issue by those claiming it right now, it's going to be viewed as a tastless and offensive act, as was the case with the same newspaper which published the cartoons while refusing to publish other ones it viewed as offensive to christians.
Also, by the way thank you very much for being "quite content to have Islam come live beside us in the shape of Muslim families", I hear you on that one Angie, inferior races shouldn't be allowed to live with the aryan nations, jeez, is human ugliness that limitless.
Mohamad;
Such a T-shirt would certainly offend Catholics in the country where it was being sold and they would write letters to the store, or to newspapers. Catholics in other countries would mind their own business and not go into hysterics over an insult made in a country they don't live in. Vile depictions of Jesus have been been done pretty much throughout the Western countries, yet the outrage remained within those countries.
It's an issue of sovereignty.
I completely agree with you within your context of reference.
But let's take the issue outside that context. Let's take it to the context of where you have a faction of people, who are, for the most part, isolated from certain outside influences by whatever barrier, religion, geopolitics, economics, culture, custom, heritage, race whatever...
This group is far from homogeneous, but it does have enough common threads so that the group does feel at least some common identity. The group exists peacefully until some external influences bring this group violently into interaction with the other similar groups around it. The group is insulated and it's virulent characteristics were at some point, endemic. Suddenly forces come into play that cause the virulent forces to become pandemic. They start to affect the groups outside and even to cause the virulence to strengthen and take it's toll within the group itself.
What should the outside groups do to protect themselves and even the group itself?
Should they attempt to innoculate the insulated group with "vaccines" that they believe might ultimately help to rid the group of virulent strains?
In this case...vaccinate or "desensitize" the group to try to give it a more immunity that they hope will knock back the virulence that has erupted?
That in essense, is what Denmark's press attempted to do. De-sensitize Fundamentalist Muslims to these perceived insults and threats to their religion that is causing some groups to become so violent.
Is is arrogant and thoughtless? Insensitive, even rude? Yes, it is, but if it works in the long run, is it the wrong thing to have done?
This has gone too far...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iran_danish_pastries;_ylt=AmH3GBxpqB3Zwr2BXPLO9Pqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Iran Renames Danish Pastries
As far as I remember the newspaper didn't print the cartoons to insult anyone. They have an apology in 6 languages on their front page
www.jp.dk
It was printed in the context of an ongoing discussion about freedom of expression - not as an insult to all moslims on earth.
And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson,
Jesus loves you more than you will know.God bless you, please Mrs. Robinson.Heaven holds a place for those who pray,Hey, hey, hey. Is this Mrs. Robinson in fact hot enough to lurpak?
As far as I remember the newspaper didn't print the cartoons to insult anyone. They have an apology in 6 languages on their front page
And the J-P also provides an interesting article on the intent of the cartoons.
To me, this is important if anyone is to get beyond the outrage and understand what really happened. Far too much attack and counter-attack going on.
Dear Mohamed:
Did you actually READ my post? I was making a JOKE.
I said nothing whatsoever about *admiring* Roberto Calderoli or thinking that the t-shirts were a *good* way of making the point. I don't follow Italian politics and I'd never heard of Mr. Calderoli until yesterday, so I don't know if he's a generally admirable fellow or a creep. I only mentioned the t-shirt stunt as a way of introducing the "melted butter" comment, thus supporting my tongue-in-cheek thesis that the whole crisis in some mysterious way revolves around SNACKS.
I said at the beginning of the post that my contribution to this thread will be "a bit of absurdity," and it was. Did you really think I was serious when I said the protesters weren't pro-Islam but ANTI-FOOD? Jeez.
In the grand scheme of things, I'm *not* taking the situation lightly, and I've made serious comments in other forums. But if I took the world seriously 24 hours a day I'd be too depressed to get out of bed. Sometimes you have to laugh rather than cry. Thus my attempt to share a chuckle with other bloggers.
If I had been making a serious comment, by the way, I'd have pointed out that an 8-year-old boy was shot in the head by one of the so-called protesters during the same riot where the KFC was burned...and surely THAT's a bigger disgrace to Islam than any cartoon or t-shirt.
You areright that I wouldn't consider a swastica on a T-shirt a matter of free speach right off the bat. Should anyone attempt to surpress it by threaths however, or call for laws banning it, it would become one. I agree that swasticas are equivalent.
I disagree on the child porn as the supression of that is an integral part of surpressing child abuse. I would object to banning child porn anime for example, even though I do find it despicable.
SM,
I love to see the real in you here. For those who seem to be offended by this or others blogs, DON'T READ IT! Freedom of speech means just that. It also means, nobody will force you to read it.
By the way, specially love the pseudonym you chose for her. ;-)
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Sandmonkey,
"u r of course aware of the panic factor, right?"
Again this is not a death or life situation, why you like to exaggerate? I don't think the panic factor is involved here you can take your time to do it, if you suspect any harm will come out of it then don't do it , I just find it hard to believe the Danish insulin is the irreplaceable.
"innocent people will die, and when they do, I hope you will be happy."
This is too much, I don't think they will die, maybe if the non Danish insulin is poisonous.
Jokerman,
"what do a few stupid cartoons have to do with pharmaceutical or dairy products?or how can you link them even??"
You look at it and say stupid cartoons, I look at it and I see it an insult for everything I live and die for!
"You simply generalise, like any ignorant moron does."
Thanks!
"So when an arab or any muslim blows up themselves or kills someone claiming its God's decrees, it equallymeans that all arabs & muslims are guilty too, right??"
If someone do some criminal act of those you mentioned above, It's his own fault and no one should blame the all Arabs or Muslims for it ( although we actually being blamed in the end).
But this is different, all we want is an official apology from the Danish government which represents the Danish people, and that's the difference, but just setting there and doing nothing and saying "ah, Sorry it's freedom of speech, nothing we can do about" is just unacceptable to me, after all our governments- which I don't agree much with them – but still they rush to condemn the bombings, which is something good.
"ahmad, you are just another bigot who thinks he knows it all while blind to his own prejudism & hypocrisy, 2al break it down to me 2al."
Thanks!
Shamoussa
"Ahmad, did anyone tell you before that egyptian insulin is the substitute of water and not mixtard?"
Please don't tell me that that the Danish insulin is the only option out there, anyway no one has to die for this!
Jokerman again
"& while we are at it, hey big brains ahmad...what about Jerry Falwell who worse stuff than the silly cartoons, why hasnt Saudi Arabia done anything to it? they didnt pull their ambassador & no boycott was called for."
We all doing what we can, I'm counting on you to bring this to the public attention, but don't expect too much from governments….
"What if western countries adopt the same stupid method & boycott middle eastern & muslim countries over seeing christ as merely a prophet, try to imagine big brains how the picture would be"
Oh yea, I can imagine if the west boycott the Oil, but can they? : )
"Try & grow some brain cells is my advice."
Thanks!
Sandmonkey
"So..what do you know? You are not the same Ahmad who provided the peacefull islamic solutions from my 7 questions post. Huh. Sure, u never claimed you were, but u showed urself there and when I asked you about it, u never denied it. Liked the respect your deception gave you, huh?"
Please don't assume anything about me, I just went back to the 7 questions post and found out about the other ahmad.
I never claimed to be anyone, I just didn't want to sign anonymously so I used my first name.
What respect are you talking about, so far all I get is bad words ,and being called names!
"Well FUCK YOU MY FRIEND."
Thanks, but please we're not friends!
"I was thinking to myself that you couldn't possibly be same person, that the other ahmad sounded way too smart for your kind of rhetoric. And what do you know? I was right."
Of course you were right, it's your fault to assume that all names here are unique!
Hint: those anonymous comments are not from the same guy : )
"Continue barking doggie"
Thanks!
"...all we want is an official apology from the Danish government which represents the Danish people, and that's the difference, but just setting there and doing nothing and saying "ah, Sorry it's freedom of speech, nothing we can do about" is just unacceptable to me, after all our governments..."
Who needs to apologise for the Danish people, or anybody else for these cartoons? The paper already made its apology, look at it yourself.. More could be said, but it's all been said before.
You are soooooo demented. LOL
Joanne
elengil,
When *one* arab or muslim blow himself up in a suicide attack, the leaders of the arab countries rush to condemn this act, which means we as a nation do not approve of such act.
However, this is exactly what we are demanding but the Danes won't just do it.
So, i think it's fair enought we won't by their products.
get it ?
Dear Ahmad
From the danish PM New Years speech 2005/2006.
"During the past year, we have witnessed a heated debate about freedom of speech, and limits to freedom of speech. There are some who find that the tone of the debate has become too shrill and unpleasant.
I wish to state this very clearly: I condemn any expression, action or indication that attempts to demonise groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic background.
It is the sort of thing that does not belong in a society that is based on respect for the individual human being.
We have a long history of extensive freedom of speech in Denmark. We are to speak freely and present our views to each other in a straightforward manner. However, it must be done in mutual respect and understanding. And in a civilised tone of voice."
http://www.statsministeriet.dk/Index/dokumenter.asp?o=6&n=0&d=2468&s=2
Danish person
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Ahmad, ahmad
that is pure stupid rhetoric!!
first of all, you cannot apply your customs to others & expect them to adopt it aswell.
The arab governments are totalitarian, European governments are not.
The danish newspaper IS NOT PART of Member of the danish government, nor does the danish newspaper represent all danes.
The newspaper apologised, & you cannot compare silly cartoons with bombings unless you are a halfwitted moron.
Arab masses mostly approve of the bombings even when their governments apologise.
When you genralise, they too have the right to generalise but then you dont like it, do you??
Why not boycott french, german, spanish & italian products too bigmouth?? Ahmad, i think youre just too naive in your assumptions, its not logical even, you are just another hypocrite who pretends to know something when they dont.
http://www.mahjoob.com/en/friends/sendtofriends.php?cartoonid=1733
People., people, don't waste time with ahmad. he really isn't worth the effort!
"People., people, don't waste time with ahmad. he really isn't worth the effort!"
Agree, sigh... but unfortunately there's potentially up to 1.200.000.000 others like him out there....
LOL
I didn't know that butter was that funny, I will never think of Lurpak the same way again.
LOL
You've been Lurpaked ...
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