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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Friday, February 24, 2006

Valley of the wolves

In case you didn't know, the #1 movie in turkey right now is the incredibly anti-american movie "Valley of the wolves Iraq", and it stars an international cast of actors, amongst which are american actors Billy Zane and Gary Busey, who of course portray the bad evil americans. At one of Istanbul's biggest multiplex cinemas the blockbuster is showing on five separate screens and nearly all the seats are sold out. It's the same story across the country. "I'm back to see it for the second time already," says one student, waiting impatiently outside Screen 10. "It is anti-American, but we already know what they've done in Iraq. That's the reality. Now we can see it on screen." The reality, ehh? In one scene, trigger-happy US troops massacre civilians at a wedding party. In another they firebomb a mosque during evening prayer. There are multiple summary executions. And for the first time, the real-life abuses by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison are played out on the big screen. Even the doctor - played by Gary Busey - is evil, removing human organs from Iraqi prisoners to send to patients in the US, Israel and Britain. He must've needed the work. "Our film's a sort of political action," explains script-writer Bahadir Ozdener at the production company's stylish office on the Asian side of Istanbul. "Maybe 60 or 70% of what happens on screen is factually true." Really? Factually true? Americans firebomb mosques, and their doctors steal tissues and organs from patients and send them to Isarel? Factually true my egyptian ass! "Turkey and America are allies, but Turkey wants to say something to its friend. We want to say the bitter truth. We want to say that this is wrong." And with friends like these, who needs enemies?


At 2/24/2006 02:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandmonkey -

do you read German?

At 2/24/2006 02:13:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

ya, ich kann ya schon deutsch lehsen. warum?

At 2/24/2006 02:15:00 AM, Blogger jelsted said...

I’m really looking forward to seeing this movie, but I will only take it for what it is. I’ve seen Midnight Express and it’s at least just as moronic and stupid. I think it is interesting that Turkey is beating the nationalistic drum. Yesterday they demanded an apology from the Danish Government over the cartoons. I would agree that the Danish government should apologise for it’s handling of the cartoon issue, but it can not apologise for the cartoons, because that would be to put political pressure on what independent newspapers can print. Denmark is not Italy where the Government owns the media.

Anyway I do personally apologise to those who feel offended by the stupid and provocative cartoons. But now I also demand that Turkey apologise for the genocide of the Armenians. Hey, how about making a movie about that? Or at least putting it into the Turkish school curriculum?

At 2/24/2006 02:16:00 AM, Anonymous Rea said...

hm a movie like this at any other time would be a favorite to all trash lovers (i know a few of those :) ) but right now i don't even want to know how many people will actually believe it. (which isn't a great compliment to their intelligence, but neither are the things they're doing recently)

At 2/24/2006 02:27:00 AM, Anonymous A. said...

Sandmonkey -

I thought so (I remember that you addresses that Lufthansa guy in your infamous airport story in German).

Valley of the Wolves is a hot topic here in Germany, just two fun links:

(Cem Özdemir is a German member of the European Parliament. He complains that the Turkish government rather seems to endorse the movie, and he explains a lot about the background, i.e. the incident when the US army through out some Turkish soldiers from Kurdistan. And he points out how anti-semitic this movie is.)

(Reporter in a sold out Berlin cinema. Turkish immigrant youths chant 'God is great' at the end of the movie.)

Well, the bad news is that Der Spiegel is rather known for being left-wing and anti-American. I spare you how other German media reacted to the movie ...

(And thanks for answering my women rights posts --- I still feel guilty for saddening your today's fun post ...)


At 2/24/2006 03:20:00 AM, Blogger okiedokie said...

Busey is a good actor but a weird human being. I will not villify him. He made a bad decision in making this movie. This movie would have been made with or without him. This movie does show how evil Islam is. Religion of peace my ass. What fanatics!

At 2/24/2006 03:29:00 AM, Anonymous Andrew Brehm said...

The left will believe it, of course.

FINALLY a new conspiracy theory that!

Frankly, I have a new-found respect for those left-wingers who still believe in the oil conspiracy theory.

At 2/24/2006 03:32:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Turks are still shitty that the US wouldn't allow them to go into Northern Iraq at the start of the war because they wanted to kill the kurds and to secure the Northern section due to its oil. The Kurds have their own oil wells up there. This is payback and now that they won't be joining the EU they don't care. turkey? yeah, thats about 70 mill of them at the last count.

At 2/24/2006 03:49:00 AM, Blogger AnechoicRoom said...

World upside down. Me, I decided to say nada about Valley of the Wolves, after reading about it two weeks ago, pissed though I was (conflation effectively becoming promotion). It seems quite fashionable of late, to make fictional movies denigrating the U.S., Israel, and Jews. The minds of a billion followers of Mohammed, will not be swayed by mere criticism of the brain dead movies, produced in his worship. The tide has turned. Global conflict is here. Bullets not bards.

At 2/24/2006 04:26:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

The problem with this movie is that it is presented as truth and that is one of a whole scala of movies like these in the Middle East (nothing new, no critical sounds towards "own people"). By presenting it that it is based on a true story, it is hard to divide truth from fiction. And if you start to believe that all Americans are heavily built blonde murder machines and all Iraqis innocent civillians and all Jews selling organs, than you obviously have been badly influenced by this movie.

And I believe it is hard to convince people not to believe - as anechoicroom already said - brain dead movies. :)
Especially those in the Middle - East :P because they are about grown up with these ideas anyhow.

P.s.: i have nothing against the movie an sich, but im just afraid people would believe its truth and not just trash and extreme exaggeration and stereotyping. Der ewige Jude was believed by "some" people as well, ya know.

At 2/24/2006 04:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'heavily built blonde murder machines' ? either Arnie has been moonlighting and Sacramento is without its famous statue or it's the swede's not the jooooooz! I haven't seen the film but a jewish organ grinder sounds like a change. Der ewige Jude was believed by a lot of people{guess what, still is}and it proves yet again that you CAN fool some of the people all of the time and the rest will fall into line if you play football with a few of the dissenters heads. Goebbels and Voltaire must be rotfl.

At 2/24/2006 05:01:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Notice the " " around the word some in my last comment ;)

At 2/24/2006 05:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My muslim friends (in Norway) have the same problem, they belive that the US goes around slaugthering the iraqi civilians and bombing them.

I would say that 95% of civilians lossess in Iraq is by the hands of insurgents.

At 2/24/2006 05:44:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suzanne, I saw the " ". What I meant was that it wasn't just Germans who believed the film and it is true that if your internal security apparatus is 'vigorous' enough then the rest will shut the f*** up. The sentiments in the film were such that at that time there were a lot of people in the world who felt that way. the first half of my post was meant to be humorous, the 2nd part was all too true I'm afraid and my meaning was that there will be a lot of people in the world and not just moslems who will be willing to believe the film as some sort of factual portrayal. I know that they are actors and have to make a living but its a shame that two well known Americans did this as I'm afraid that it will only lend credence to the whole thing. BW

At 2/24/2006 06:17:00 AM, Blogger aliandra said...

"is evil, removing human organs from Iraqi prisoners to send to patients in the US, Israel and Britain"

Hmmph... the Turks don't know too much about organ transplant science. Coming from a very different ethnic group, those organs are unlikely to be compatible with Anglo-Saxon body types.

At 2/24/2006 06:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the Americans should make a movie about the Armenian genocide, and embellish liberally.

At 2/24/2006 06:26:00 AM, Blogger Daniel in Brookline said...

Yes, this movie sounds like an abomination. (I have no intention of going to see the damned thing. I didn't see Fahrenheit 9/11 either; I don't feel a need to watch Michael Moore's intellectual masturbation. Or perhaps I should have left out the word "intellectual".)

But in the long run, garbage like this doesn't matter much. Anybody with a working brain and access to free information will know that it's garbage... and the people who believe it, either because they've been told to believe it or because they desperately want to believe it, would have believed such things without the movie.

In the meantime, I have a feeling that some center-right Hollywood types (yes, they do exist!) will get mad enough to make their own films. (Bruce Willis is supposedly in negotiations to do a film about Michael Yon's experiences.)

And the film does us an additional service... by letting us know who our friends are, in terms of how they respond to it.

Let's hope that the film ends up in the dustbin of history, as it deserves -- and that Billy Zane and Gary Busey see the career nose-dive that they deserve. I have every confidence that it'll happen in both cases.

Daniel in Brookline

At 2/24/2006 06:36:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know SFA(sweet fuck all) about either Zane or Busey but I did see a movie being made once & I was impressed by the fact that what I saw happen looked nothing like it did on the screen. I'm not saying that they didn't know what they were getting themselves into BUT knowing what little I do about what a finished cut looks like and the fact that no movie is ever shot to a time-line (it's done all out of sequence for various reasons but you all know that)perhaps they didn't know quite what the outcome would be.BW

At 2/24/2006 06:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 2/24/2006 07:00:00 AM, Blogger Blogspat said...

Oh, I am definately going to see this film. This time perhaps in an illegal version so I don't support the thing economically. It is sort of educational. This whole cartoon thing has been an eye-opener. I think we in the "west" should be seeing a lot more of what is being made arround the globe. Jyllands Posten won't publish the Holocaust cartoons from Iran - I think they should - the public in Scandinavia in general have absolutely no idea of what normally is being printed in Iranian (and most other) newspapers. I think the Jews actually also would want this to be exposed.

Unfortunately I must side with people in this tread that say that the genre of truth-fiction has a tendency to actually be percieved as generally true. In Sweden we have the example of the historically based novels about the life of "Arn" - Many believed large parts of the "Da Vinci Code". I must admit that the massive amount of movies from Hollywood had given me a very wrong picture of a lot of events - e.g. about events following D-day.

At 2/24/2006 07:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds to me like the film-makers didn't have the balls to portray the terrorists for what they do -- so they blame the Americans.


At 2/24/2006 07:42:00 AM, Anonymous anne kirstine said...

btw isn't First Blood and the Rambo movies kind of racist as well?
It is an interesting question we are discussing here:
how are we able to distinguish between fiction and fact?
between conspirancy theori, urban legends and genuine news?

At 2/24/2006 07:44:00 AM, Anonymous Kjartan said...

Well, the bad news is that Der Spiegel is rather known for being left-wing and anti-American. I spare you how other German media reacted to the movie ...

If this means that even the European left wing and anti-americans are getting that there's something very, very wrong with the way America and Israel are portrayed in middle eastern media, then i'd say that is good news, no ?

At 2/24/2006 08:01:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't be overoptimistic --- that's the current print issue :-(


(Well, Valley of the Wolves is anti-semitic, and this is a holy cow in Germany; I wonder how the reactions would have been without the Jewish doctor)

At 2/24/2006 08:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At 7:42 AM, anne kirstine said...

btw isn't First Blood and the Rambo movies kind of racist as well?
It is an interesting question we are discussing here:
how are we able to distinguish between fiction and fact?
between conspirancy theori, urban legends and genuine news?

Well, the makers of Valley of the Wolves argue exactly like that: Why can't we make a one-sided movie? However, Rambo II/III weren't endorsed by Americas first lady, if I remember correctly. It wasn't neither America's most expensive nor America's most successful movie. And, from my modest POV the worst, there weren't cinemas overboarding with destitute immigrant teenagers challenging our society. France burned for days because their immigration is beyong a certain sustainable level, and I wonder when we will reach this threashold here.

At 2/24/2006 08:26:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's too bad this film doesn't concentrate more on what happened at Abu-Ghraib... because there's no doubt about that... in that case Americans were Evil. With stories like that coming out of Europe it's a bit understandable to see half-truth films like this one coming out of Turkey.


At 2/24/2006 08:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meant to say "With stories like that coming out of Iraq".


At 2/24/2006 08:33:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's too bad this film doesn't concentrate more on what happened at Abu-Ghraib... because there's no doubt about that... in that case Americans were Evil.

Indeed, Americans were evil. However, if I remember correctly, it was an American who handed the photos to the American press, and it was an American military court that sentenced those torturers.

If you protest that those judgements were to lenient, ok, I am with you. If you protest that certain suspects are tortured officially, yes, you have got a point there.

However, Abu Ghraib is quite different. It is nonsense to blame every terroristical act on the whole Arab population, and it is nonsonse to blame a nation for crimes of individuals.

At 2/24/2006 08:46:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never want to be accused of thinking too deeply, it would ruin my image but I think Daniel and Blogspat have both highlighted a problem that may have wide reaching consequences, anyway, this is the problem AISI. We(smug mode)have instant access to news,views and blog peers around the world. Elengil may not like my views..MarbleheadGhazy and Jokerman sound like the couple next door & that's the point..we always have someone prepared to tell you that you are full of shit and why so. The very people we blog about do not have this access but if they do they can end up like WWW.allaboutgq.blogspot and spread their poisonous views. The rest are back in a world where movies like this and the radical Imams are their only source of 'educated' information, from madrasah to martyrdom, I fear that we aren't fighting a losing battle...we were never in the fucking battle...there has to be a better way and if it's trying to get people to write to their local elected representative or we cross write to each others as well as our own..that'll fuck 'em up, anything but status quo..WE ARE LOSING and I do NOT lose. If anyone has a better way, tell me soon. BW

At 2/24/2006 08:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anon@8:33am,

While I do agree with your statement that roughly translates into "one doesn't through out an entire basket of good apples because of a few bad ones" however, I'm inclined to think that what those evil people did at Abu-Ghraib wasn't just the act of a few bad apples but was more likely sanctioned at some level in the American bureaucracy.


At 2/24/2006 09:08:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to laugh. Turkey has produced the most vile, crap of a movie showing us as some kind of monsters and all we do is shrug it off. No big deal..like their opinion even matters. The only impact I have felt is my decision not to visit Istanbul in the foreseeable future. However, Greece is nice.

At 2/24/2006 09:12:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scott, you can't prove that, exactly as I cannot prove that your theory is a conspiracy theory in my eyes.

But something different which always strikes me when it comes to Abu Ghraib, and on what noboby has commented (HEY YOU BLOGGERS! COME ON AND SPREAD MY THEORIES!):

The very first publications then said that those guard were inexperienced guys who did not know how to behave as a prison guard. (That did never sound to convincing to me; hey, I have worked as a prison guard, but I am pretty sure that most prisoners don't like to be abused).

However, a few days later, it became public that the main perpretors worked in the US as ... prison guards. Now, if I read those gruesome stories about broom sticks and-you-know-what in American prisons, I strongly presume that those villains did exactly what they always did.

And they probably still don't understand why everyone reacted this violently when they "played" with some "Arab terrorists" like they did with their all-American inmates at home.

At 2/24/2006 09:13:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oops, there is a "not" missing; I have "not" worked as a prison guard

At 2/24/2006 09:28:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If everyone in a region believes that you are stealing their organs is it wrong to start actually doing it? Nothing changes execept your organ supply.


At 2/24/2006 10:08:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has any one of us seen this piece? I haven't coz I've never had the chance. Anyway, even if it's racist and stereotypical, who cares. I'm a European and have nothing against stereotypical movies, well, if there was a demand that movies or tv series shouldn't include any stereotypes, what would there be left of Hollywood? And next we should ban stereotypes from literature, and, yes, why not ban positive stereotypes as well?

Last but not least, the choice whould be that of the moviegoer.

At 2/24/2006 10:52:00 AM, Anonymous Aya said...

No matter how bad it is though, we have to protect freedom of speech.

At 2/24/2006 10:56:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Anyway, even if it's racist and stereotypical, who cares. I'm a European and have nothing against stereotypical movies'

Good. Then you won't mind a movie made about a nihilistic, Christian-hating marxist like yourself.

And hey! None of that may be at all true. But it is just a stereotype of you, so who gives a damn?

At 2/24/2006 10:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, I'm none of the descriptions. Secondly, you can create stereotypes about a group and project them in maginary characters such as those in a movie but you can't make a stereotype of an individual. But please feel free to make a movie about nihilistic, Christian-hating marxists. When it's shot, send an announcement here and some free tickets for the premiere. You know, we nihilists like free rides.

At 2/24/2006 11:09:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Americans should boycott this movie when it's released in the US.They should also burn Turkish flags and stop buying Turkish taffy.

At 2/24/2006 11:13:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

Agree, Mike ;) Maybe we should start shooting indiscriminately at the next muslim demonstration (and play the video at the cinemas). That would be a blast xD.

Anyone can tell me why haven't we nuked those walking bombs yet? Sincerely, I used to believe democratic education was the solution for those muslims, but I'm seriously starting to doubt.

At 2/24/2006 11:20:00 AM, Blogger marin_explorer said...

The left will believe it, of course.

Perhaps a few of the rabid extreme left will, but what counts far more is how many people in Turkey and ME will get confused over what is true. (Not that Americans or Europeans never do!)

For the record, quite a few "left", moderate liberal (but not stupid) people will see through the imflammatory spin. Just like Fahrenheit 9/11--what a pathetic piece of journalism that was!

This all loops back to issues of freedom of speech, pluralistic government, and independent media. Despite the problems paraded through our media, I want to give Turks and other muslims the same fair objectivity we want for ourselves. Given quality information, I'm sure they're smart enough to figure out the truth as much as we are.

At 2/24/2006 11:20:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sir Sefirot, I am not suggesting that we nuke anyone. I do think that the next time some stupid peasant in Russia is angry because we stole her lake we should make sure we actually take the lake. If the whole world is going to accuse us of stealing oil we might as well steal it. It wouldn't change more than 10% of the worlds populations opinion of us and we would have free gas.



At 2/24/2006 11:31:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This movie garbage which stupid people believe as fact is just another example of the bred to the bone stupid of the target audience. Let them believe this bullshit, takes the spotlight off the fact they live in totalitarian societies with just enough "rights" to keep the sheeple happy. This is non-muslim propaganda and racist. But, you could say that about every newspaper and media outlet in the arab world. They are all racist. Oh, and scott, abu graib is a non issue. It was handled. Get the fuck over it.

At 2/24/2006 11:54:00 AM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Again SM, seriously I don't know how come you're so one sided and hypocritical, you don't like how americans are portrayed in one turkish movie, while at the same time had nothing to say about how arabs are portrayed in american movies from the Sheik to Ashanti to Delta Force to Blood Sport to Navy Seals to The Assasin to Ruby Cairo to True Lies to Excutive Decision to Rules of Engagment to Hidalgo, don't you have any kind of decency. Anyway, Jon Stewart had this decency and integrity that you definitely lack and showed a footage of a sample of almost infinite number of movies afetr movies dipicting arabs in similar and worse pictures than the turkish movie.

At 2/24/2006 12:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mohamed, I don't know why anybody cares about B movies and I haven't seen the movies you listed. But the difference between a Jewish doctor who steals organs from Muslims and a terrorsit from the middle east is that the first doesn't exist and the second is plentiful.


At 2/24/2006 12:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let them believe what they want.

Its only a movie.

When they get out of hand, take care of business.

At 2/24/2006 12:11:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem with this type of movie is that people believe it and act on it - taking their indignation out violently on innocent Americans, Europeans, westerners, and Christians. Since this movie will have little to do with facts, its purpose is to create and fuel the fire of hatred for the west and Christianity.

The fact that a couple of actors are American in this movie just helps confirms to the nutjobs that it MUST be true. It is too bad America has so many damn traitors.


At 2/24/2006 12:29:00 PM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

Mo, remember when i linked to planet of the arabs? No? were u sleeping that day?

Danta shayell menny awwy yabny, eih dah. LOL

At 2/24/2006 12:32:00 PM, Blogger Bitman said...

Communicating, even lies, has it's purpose. It tells the receiver about the intentions and movements on the other side. It also makes mute any accusation about US manipulation of the truth - unfortunately.

I think we here in the west looks at a movie like this, and don't know if we have to laugh or cry. Leave the theater shaking our head. Had the roles been reversed, and the arabs displayed this way - well, if cartoons make Muslims burn buildings and kill, what would this do?

At 2/24/2006 01:06:00 PM, Blogger Suzanne said...

@Blogspat, I read the Da Vinci Code while searching the internet and other books to check things out :) Some things were confirmed, some were indeed plainly made up to give it a nice story. But i do realise that not many people actually read a book like this, this way ;)

At 2/24/2006 01:27:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

SM, I've seen that link , that's why I thought that you knowing that would've been a lit bit even handed.
La ya 3am mish shayel wala 7aga, bas enta mostafez befaza3a, we bezemetak meen yewady fe dahia aktar, el maganeen ely 3andena wala el 3alam el tarallaly on this thread, are those people really this crazy? come on man. You're more rational than that.

At 2/24/2006 06:49:00 PM, Blogger Scorekeeper said...

Sam -

Waddddd up?

A few questions -

1) What the F is this apparent obssession in the Arab (perhaps Asian too?) world with taking people's organs? I'm told it's common in China and parts of the Arab world as well?
Obviously you understand to an American it's Wacko!

2) I posted in prior comments section that apparently Busey is a Jewish American doctor in the movie and one of the people he sells organs to is of course an easily denoted Religious Orthodox Jooooooo! Is this true?

3) Have you been reading Michael Totten lately? The Kurds are the best shot for a truly "moderate" Muslim state going.

A Salam Alechem.


At 2/25/2006 02:33:00 PM, Blogger patrick said...

"My muslim friends (in Norway) have the same problem, they belive that the US goes around slaugthering the iraqi civilians and bombing them."

What a terrible world we live in... The world could see clearly through 9/11 attack what kind of enemy western civilization faces. That same enemy is killing Iraqi civilians and US soldiers (al qaeda in Iraq)....

A clear-cut case of good guys versus bad guys and the movie business, spending decades concocting *fake* bad guys CANNOT EVEN MAKE A DECENT MOVIE ABOUT REAL BAD GUYS!!!!

I'm appalled. Even Turks have cheap junky anti-American propaganda movies, but you know what's worse. Jewish director Speilberg makes a movie about terrorists and makes them look like the good guys... Amazing. (That's "Munich").

"I would say that 95% of civilians lossess in Iraq is by the hands of insurgents."

Yes, of course, but will we see any movie about Iraq that shows the bravery and selflessness and integrity of American soldiers - their restraint, courage, and, shall I say, compassion for Iraqis that they have liberated from Saddam and are trying to help build towards freedom and democracy?

SOmeone says: "Let them believe what they want. Its only a movie."

Terrorism exists because ignorant muslims believe a pack of lies about islam and the west. This feeds terrorism like junk food feeds obesity.

The truth will set us free. Smears against America keep us at war.

At 2/25/2006 02:43:00 PM, Blogger patrick said...

"gain SM, seriously I don't know how come you're so one sided and hypocritical, you don't like how americans are portrayed in one turkish movie, while at the same time had nothing to say about how arabs are portrayed in american movies from the Sheik to Ashanti to Delta Force to Blood Sport to Navy Seals to The Assasin to Ruby Cairo to True Lies to Excutive Decision to Rules of Engagment to Hidalgo, don't you have any kind of decency."

ROFLMAO! ... Hollywood treats Arabs with kid gloves, to be sure. For every A'rab is bad guy' movie, you can find far more that make businessmen bad guys, or blame American govt or military. Or use right-wingers as the evil dudes.... even when it is transparent, silly, and has no basis in reality.

Just look at "Sum of All Fears" written by Tom Clancy to be a novel about an Al Qaeda-like group's attempt to have a massive strike on America's heartland - a nuke attack on the Superbowl.

Clancy is a brilliant novelist with his finger on reality. Check when he wrote it (hint: pre-9/11). Guess what hollywood did with the story?

Of course, they made the 'bad guys' some right-wing german nazi; never mind that we've had in the past 3 decades aboslutely zero terrorist attacks from any such group, while Al Qaeda and other islamic groups have struck us multiple times ... never mind that, we cant offend 'victims' and have to use right-wing bogeymen only.

"Anyway, Jon Stewart had this decency and integrity that you definitely lack and showed a footage of a sample of almost infinite number of movies afetr movies dipicting arabs in similar and worse pictures than the turkish movie."

Jon Stewart, what a self-hating Jew he must be, 'defending' anti-semetic cr*p by saying 'hey, here's some other cr8p'. Well, it's still cr8p!

Here's a real stoy for you ... a new Hitler takes over a middle eastern country and tries to build nukes and says another country (israel) must be wiped off the map, while threatening to cut off oil supplies if we stand against them. Meanwhile the regime kills and jails dissidents, supports terrorists and meddles in neighbors internal affairs. US decides it wants the nation toppled and helps democratic activists protest the regime ... recipe for a good thriller? or just the recent headlines on Iran? You decide!

At 2/27/2006 10:38:00 AM, Anonymous Melissa in NorCal said...

This film and the fact that Erdogan's wife said it was an amazing film are another reason why we in America need to recognize the Armenian Genocide. Write your Congress(wo)men. It is House Resolution 316.

At 3/03/2006 09:08:00 AM, Anonymous Oge UK said...

Hi People,

I`m a Turk and I have not seen the movie. It is just a movie and a first example that makes a kind of anti american propoganda. Maybe this is why you people are not used to this and act so viciously. We were clapping Rocky beating Ivan Drago in Rocky 4 when we were a teenager. I also see the classical prejudices againist our nation by most of the people writing in here. World is already unscrewed enough and we do not more. Why not more dialogue, tolerance, understanding eachother? Why don`t we all just IMAGINE?

At 3/07/2006 11:32:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more I read most of these posts, the more I understand that Europeans and other Westerners forget about their own forms of stereotyping in popular culture and apply double standards when they are being stereotyped.

First of all, this movie is a Turkish film and it should not be associated with Islam. Associating this film's popularity with Islam is as absurd as associating films like Rambo with Christianity. There is a general outrage in Turkish public opinion among both leftist and conservative political spheres due to Bush's policies. Latin America is mostly Catholic. Would it make sense to blame the growing anti-American political sentiment in Latin America on Catholicism?

Secondly, Islam, the Middle East, and Turks have been demonized on many levels in Western pop culture. It takes one movie portraying Americans in a negative light for Westerners to throw a fit. Let's not forget about the almost ubiquitous portrayal of Muslims as fanatic terrorists in American movies.

Also, there has already been a movie made about the Armenian "genocide." It was called Ararat, and it was a flop, receiving incredibly negative reviews for its blatant one sidedness. The reason why Westerners believe so deeply in Armenian propaganda is due to the use of historical biases in Western pop culture by Armenians. Fictional works like The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, which was written by Hanz Werfel from the oral accounts of his Armenian friend, and films like Ravished Armenia (which came out during WW1), are only a few examples of this.

The deeply ingrained historical biases of "the invading Turks," who are at the gates of Vienna, coupled with the defamation of Turks by Orthodox Christian descendants of the Ottoman Empire (mostly Greeks and Armenians) create an unbelievably biased image of the Turks in Western popular culture.

Midnight Express is a film based on a true story, but overexaggerated with racist undertones. All of the "Turkish" characters in the film were played by Armenians and Greeks. Billy Hayes, who the story was based on, even said that the film was grossly slanted and inaccurate.

Another example of this was the failed attempt at making a film about Ataturk, the founder of modern day Turkey. Ataturk rebuilt a country that was occupied by Western forces, and successfully created the first secular republic in the Muslim world. Tarquin Olivier, the son of Laurence Olivier, wanted to make a film about Ataturk starring Antonio Banderas in 1998. However, after a fierce letter writing campaign by Greek-Americans that included threats, the film was tabled.

So, it's a movie, which is playing out the public's sentiments and stereotypes. Isn't that free speech?

I guess it's only ok when Europeans practice "free speech" by using stereotypes to further cultural biases (Muhammed cartoons).


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