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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Sunday, March 12, 2006

Why am I pro women rights? part 2

Because of this: aaaa.27 This chart shows the percentages of women in parliament in Middle-eastern countries. As you can see, the top 3 countries are Afghanistan (27.3%), followed by Iraq (25.5%) , and in third place Israel (15%). 2 are occupied by the US and, well, the other one is Israel. Make your own conclusions! Now, How much are women represented in Egypt's parliament? Ehh, 2%. That's it! And we used to be the region's women rights pioneers. sigh..

41 Comments:

At 3/12/2006 08:11:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

I am honestly suprised that Israel is third place not first place in this field. I suppose more women in Israel choose not to go into politics, they have no restrictions preventing them from going into the male dominated field of politics.

 
At 3/12/2006 08:47:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's up with Syria at 12 percent? That's way more than Jordan at 5.5.

 
At 3/12/2006 09:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When were we ever the region's women rights pioneers??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!N

 
At 3/12/2006 09:56:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not that familiar with Egyptian history, but I do remember Chleopatra ;-)

Scandinavian person

 
At 3/12/2006 10:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yes, we were pioneers in Cleopatra's time. Let me rephrase my question: Since Cleopatra, when was Egypt a pioneer in women's rights???? N

 
At 3/12/2006 10:20:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

Turn of the century man. first country in the region to give women the right to vote.

 
At 3/12/2006 10:25:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Turn of the century man" why assume that i'm a man? chauvinist!N

 
At 3/12/2006 10:29:00 AM, Anonymous Dalia said...

This is good article about Muslim women. Thanks God I'm not Muslim.
No cheer for Muslim women

 
At 3/12/2006 10:32:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

Part 1
For convenience (I am lazy):

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/03/why-am-i-pro-women-rights.html#comments

 
At 3/12/2006 12:24:00 PM, Anonymous PE said...

Syria is easily one of the most socially liberal states in the Middle East. It is far from the Islamofascist religious state that some Americans think it is. Syria has more religious diversity and regard for women's rights than most other Arab states, rivalled only by Lebanon, and to a (much) lesser extent Egypt and Jordan.

 
At 3/12/2006 12:33:00 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Don't women have brains just as large as men??

Just think about the damage that does to a country's economy when only half the population is working? How much more productive would a country be with everybody contributing?

2 percent women in parliament...jeez.

 
At 3/12/2006 01:20:00 PM, Blogger Superluli said...

in the curriculum of the Sociology department in Alex Univeristy - one of the reasons for the rise of unemployment is women getting jobs.

 
At 3/12/2006 01:26:00 PM, Blogger yochanan said...

men have two brains women have only one.

 
At 3/12/2006 01:46:00 PM, Blogger Louise said...

yochanan: "men have two brains women have only one."

Yes. It takes twice as much male gray matter to equal ours.

 
At 3/12/2006 01:50:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Steven, you're "honestly surprised" because you're a knee jerk racist who bases his views on perceptions rather than facts, you remind me of an elderly american couple sitting next to me on the flight from ny to cairo, who, upon arriving on the nile delta sky looked from the window and the woman said " It's amazing how green it is, I never thought Egypt was so green" her genius husband replied " I don't think that's Egypt yet, I think that's Israel", I think I really had steam coming of my head at this point. Yeah, flying all the way east to Israel for no reason whatsoever, then taking a u turn back west to Egypt.

 
At 3/12/2006 01:53:00 PM, Blogger yochanan said...

Mo. I am sure you will find just as many misconceptions on the Arab street about America much less Jews or Israel.

I mean I have read some were that some think jews use human blood to bake maztoh? I fact i read that in the state press from Saudi Arabia.

 
At 3/12/2006 02:13:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Yochanan,
I've lived most of my life in Egypt, and I swear that I've never heard this blood thing before, have you ever heard of the blood thing SM?

 
At 3/12/2006 02:19:00 PM, Blogger Seneferu said...

Qassim Amin, revolution of 1919, Hoda Shaarawi...You'd be impressed.

Mo, I heard of it. El Akhbar newspaper or the sort.

 
At 3/12/2006 02:22:00 PM, Blogger Louise said...

I've heard it, too.

 
At 3/12/2006 02:30:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Wow, Thats a little fast to call because of the facts. Israel is a free country which supports womans rights and gay rights, where as the majority of middle eastern countries do not. If saying that makes me racist by your standards, then thats ok, and it also means you do not know what racism actually is. No need to decend to personal attacks Mohammed.

 
At 3/12/2006 02:31:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

*a little fast to call me racist. I am actually suprised because of the regional facts.*

 
At 3/12/2006 02:33:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Yochanan, that is not misconceptions. That is racism. Arab media is controlled. Their countries are not free and their people are manipulated by filtered content and extremest interpretations of religion.

Perhaps saying that also makes me racist, Mohammed?

 
At 3/12/2006 02:42:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Here is a fun video for you all. It is a clip from Arab media that I find quite entertaining:
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_7sleepers.asx

This bit of propaganda has such bad acting it is almost funney. Some of what I watch though, actually makes me want to do someting against those horrible Israelis on the TV. Its amazing stuff. All lies, but very powerful all the same.

 
At 3/12/2006 02:42:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Was that post also racist, Mohammed?
You tell me. Put me in my place.

 
At 3/12/2006 03:12:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Steven, since you're so dilligent in exposing arab racism, why don't you do a similar good job and show what the israelis have to say about the arabs from mainstream politicians to rabbis like offadia yusef to those misunderstood but lovely eye candy called the settlers.

 
At 3/12/2006 03:51:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

I could do just that Mohammed, but I would be living a lie. That is because Arab racism is hugely more prevalent than any Israeli or Rabbinical (Note how you now draw in religion here) racism.

Anyway, whats the point. I am sure everyone has some racists on their side. I am not one of them yet. People like you, however, do not do your people any favours. All I have posted here are some interesting articles and facts. My own personal views (as you can see on the "why I am pro women rights part 1) are actually anti-racism. I hate racism with a passion, however there are many people who are making it difficult for people to not generalise about Islam. People like you who jump to conclusions, for instance. Immamas in London (who demand my death and want Sharia law) and empty petitions for Muslims to express their hate for terrorism are another example.

Thankfully I have things like the free Muslim coalition to keep my feet on the ground. Kamal - you are a wonderful person and I stand by my earlier comment to you that you should be cloned millions to times!

Look at this video:
http://my.opera.com/nevets/homes/files/020206_oreilly_cartoon_300.swf

Damn, that guy is fantastic!

I have many Muslim friends, Mohammed. I am not against Muslims.

I am Jewish Mohammed, Jewish people come from every race in existence. I am in love with diversity, thank Allah that people are created differently, for it is this that makes the world such a wonderful place to live in. Imagine how much it would suck if everyone was the same race or religion. Boring!

I am friendly with several people in Arab countries through the Internet. Many Arab people are great, I have no problemo with them.

You, however are out of order, Mohammed. You call me racist instantly because I am suprised that Israel didn't come top of that list of countries in the middle east. It is quite suprising, however my misconceptions have been corrected. That is not racism, and my point was not racist either. My suprise could not be called a knee-jerk racist reaction by anyone who actually knows what "racist" means. I can comfortably say that most of the countries in the middle east are shit holes - and that is not racism, Mohammed.

You then compare me to senile American tourists, well my friend, I even have something to defend them!

Look at a map, in fact look at this one:
http://media.maps.com/magellan/Images/ng_wor_sat_f.jpg

That is the typical map that we see over here and it is quite misleading. Notice Egypt and Israel is desert on this map. Not green, but yellow. No doubt your flight buddies had visited Israel to know it was green. Perhaps this American family didn't know their geography or were going senile too... but I was suprised myself how green Israel and Egypt were when I made my first visits. Most pictures show the region as a desert, not as a forest. Hope that has educated you to this misconception. Its really not a big deal and certainly doesn't warrant "steam coming out of your ears". Deal with it, they were ignorant and have probably learnt from this mistake.

I, myself, am not ignorant about middle eastern affairs. I definitely am not the fountain of all knowledge, but I am pretty well versed. Your comparison of me to someone who doesn't know where Israel and Egypt are geographically located is therefore a little pathetic and inaccurate. But lets get back to the point:

There is NO need to call me racist where I was not being so. If you didn't know before, you know now. I am sure it is tough for you these days and you feel that you must be on the defensive, but it is not nessessary.

You are forgiven, my dear friend Mohammed.

 
At 3/12/2006 04:12:00 PM, Anonymous ArmyArtilleryWife said...

Steven--no need to be surprised. Just think of what Iraq and Afghanistan have in common with each other but not the rest of the region.

I'll give you some hints: It ain't religion, it ain't ethnicity, and it ain't their long history of women's rights.

It's three letters, it begins with a U, and ends with an A.

You have three guesses and the first two don't count.

 
At 3/12/2006 04:31:00 PM, Anonymous Mohamed said...

Ok Steven, you've proven you're a better person than I am, I seriously mean it, and I sincerely apologize for jumping to conclusions, but you have to forgive my own "knee jerk" reaction given the nature of most of the people who post their comments here, sorry man, take care.

 
At 3/12/2006 04:43:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

No probs Mohammed. I wish you the best. Take care. :)

 
At 3/12/2006 05:33:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

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At 3/12/2006 05:53:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

Damn, after they have failed DOS attacks they try to destroy the Holocaust History website by destroying the machines.

*Unbelieviable*.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/

 
At 3/12/2006 07:03:00 PM, Blogger Steven said...

This is an old article, but everyone should read it-

The red Crystal:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1132475720505&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

 
At 3/12/2006 09:35:00 PM, Blogger elengil said...

I'm not that familiar with Egyptian history, but I do remember Chleopatra ;-)

Scandinavian person



Cleopatra was a Roman.

 
At 3/12/2006 11:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The year 2006 is the 100th anniversary of universal and equal suffrage in Finland. The year 1906 represents an important milestone for women's social and political participation. Finland was then the first country where women could fully exercise their voting rights and eligibility to stand for elective office. Altogether nineteen female MPs were elected to Parliament in 1907.

Please check (in English)

http://www.aanioikeus.fi/en/index.htm

 
At 3/13/2006 12:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elengil;
Cleopatra was greek,
but she fancied romans;)
K from Oslo

 
At 3/13/2006 01:04:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Elengil.

As I said I'm not that familiar with Egyptian history, but according to my encyclopedia she was Queen of Egypt.

(I didn't want to expose more of my ignorance than necessary, so I had to google her to corfirm....)

http://www.touregypt.net/cleopatr.htm


Best wishes
Scandinavian person

 
At 3/13/2006 05:01:00 AM, Blogger Joe said...

I can't believe that map shows Israel, but not Palestine.

Then again, they are in the middle of forming a government that will be markedly different fromt he last one.

 
At 3/13/2006 08:01:00 AM, Blogger elengil said...

K from Oslo, er.. yes right. Sorry, I meant Greek even though I typed Roman. My brain and fingers sometimes disengage from one another ;)

Scandinavian person,

Cleopatra ruled Egypt, she was not Egyptian.


Joe... I can't believe that map shows Israel, but not Palestine.

you're surprised a map shows a nation that has been in existance for over 50 years but fails to show a nation that does not exist?

Odd.

 
At 3/13/2006 08:35:00 AM, Blogger Steven said...

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At 3/14/2006 03:37:00 AM, Anonymous motti said...

The first post-Taliban Afghani and post-Baath Iraqi parliaments clearly outscore the Israeli Knesset in terms of numbers of elected female politicians, however, if legislation on womens' issues from equivalent remuneration for equivalent work, to protection from discrimination based on sex or gender, to personal liberties were taken into account, Israel would undoubtedly qualify as the most pro-feminist and woman friendly state in the middle east.

 
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