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Rantings of a Sandmonkey

Be forewarned: The writer of this blog is an extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey. If this is your cup of tea, please enjoy your stay here. If not, please sod off

Sunday, February 19, 2006

The MCS Epidemic

In case you didn't hear, there were anti-cartoon protests in Nigeria yesterday and they were lovelier than all others so far: Nigerian Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad attacked Christians and burned churches on Saturday, killing at least 15 people in the deadliest confrontation yet in the whirlwind of Muslim anger over the drawings. It was the first major protest to erupt over the issue in Africa's most populous nation. An Associated Press reporter saw mobs of Muslim protesters swarm through the city center with machetes, sticks and iron rods. One group threw a tire around a man, poured gas on him and set him ablaze. Wow. So, with 11 dead in Libya's prtoests on Friday, this brings the cartoon death toll to at least 26 dead this weekend alone. 26 people. Dead. If you add to them those who died in Afganistan and Pakistan, I think we are looking at about 40 fatal casualties so far. 40 people, in the last 3 weeks. Now, is it just me, or is it weird that more people died over these cartoons in the past 2 months than over the Bird Flu "epidemic"? Hell, I think the cartoon fatalities are about 3 times those of the Bird Flu in 2006 so far. Shouldn't that make it an epidemic all by itself? I mean, it has higher fatality rates, and it spreads really really fast. It should be classified as an epidemic, right? We shall call it the Muslim Cartoon Syndrome epidemic. MCS for short. MCS is a fast spreading epidemic, that has a very good chance of getting an unspecified number of people killed, but is especially good at getting Muslims to kill other Muslims. It can be spread via 1) Hearing about cartoons insulting the prophet, or 2) Reading about cartoons insulting the prophet. However, actually viewing such Prophet-inuslting cartoons will not cause an infection; on the contrary, nothing will happen and no one will get agitated. Symptoms of MCS include: Forwarding E-mails, sending text-messages, spouting empty slogans on how much you love the prophet, yelling, screaming, agitation, saying shit that doesn't make sense, carrying highly offensive signs, engaging in retarded campaigns, burning cheese, boycotting Butter, torching buildings, attacking christians for no reason and participating in other various retarded violent activities. It's ability to get muslims to kill eachother has caused multiple conspiracy theories on the origion and purpose of said cartoons, and they all involve the Jews somehow. Don't ask! Just don't! So far there has been no cure for the MCS epidemic, but scientists are working hard at finding one. There are worries that at the current infestation rate muslims around the world may have to be rounded up and sent back to the middle-east, and all westerners to go back to their respective countries, at least until this thing dies down. "Some are worried that at such infestation rate, a quarantine and elimination of the infested may be necessary for the world's survival, although thankfully we are far from having to utilize such methods, cause the damage and casualties has been primarily in muslim and arab countries so far, and really, we have no problems with muslims killing each other. Better them than us!", a western scientist said with a smirk. There is hope though. There are strong indications that this whole MCS epidemic may be cureable by the purchasing of danish dairy products, since it started around the time muslims stopped buying such products. This could mark an interesting development in the world of cow diseases, where not eating danish cow products would cause you to go crazy. The Anti-mad cow disease so to speak. So maybe you should Buy Danish to stay on the safe side. Lurpak: Eat it so you don't go crazy!


At 2/19/2006 03:12:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Folly madness:

Chima Ezeoke, a Christian Maiduguri resident, said protesters attacked and looted shops owned by minority Christians, most of them with origins in the country's south. "Most of the dead were Christians beaten to death on the streets by the rioters," Ezeoke said. Witnesses said three children and a priest were among those killed.

It would have been a difficult task for Monty Python to make something funny out of it now. The boycott, ok... but killing other people because of their different religion?

Mm.. though perhaps they could give a twist to the "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" sketch ;)

(i do hope you are a bit familiar with Monty Python)

At 2/19/2006 03:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandmonkey is a blogging genius and this post is one of his smartest ever.

Please write additions if you ever see any Muslim congregation, personality, state or organization condemning Nigerian Muslims killing Nigerian Christians because of 12 cartoons published in Denmark.

This is absurd.

At 2/19/2006 04:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Genius! You don't complain about a certain situation, although you pretend doing so..

I really can't understand your Islam-hatred!

What bothers me the most is that you claim you're a Muslim.... and Egyptian?!!!!

oh please.

At 2/19/2006 04:41:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...

My Islam Hatred?


At 2/19/2006 04:46:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Why does it bother you?? you want every muslim to feel the same way exactly, right? & if anyone differs then he excommunicated from the rest & branded an infidel.
Dont you know that you are so anitquated with these ideas you have?? Sandmonkey is trying his best & you don have to agree with him on everything but i didnt read anything he worte that can be considered Anti Islam or as you put it Islam Hatred, sure he attacks certain muslims who behave in a certain way, but so do i, it doesnt mean its Islam hating.

At 2/19/2006 04:47:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

Last anonymous, please check my comment (last one) in this article on this weblog.

There is a difference between muslims and muslims. It's up to your Allah to decide which one is the right muslim. Nevertheless, I can hardly believe that it is normal to act in folly madness as what you see happening now.

At 2/19/2006 04:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the prophet (PBUH) wanted his followers to think for themselves. Rejecting the false idea, that being a true muslim means violent and deadly protest; I think Sandmonkey shows great respect in the face of The Prophet (PBUH), by trying to stop the destruction and misinterpretation of his sacred words.

Please continue your precoius work!

At 2/19/2006 05:14:00 AM, Anonymous Sally said...

I'm sick and tired of people attacking anyone who is a free thinker. I find it commendable that SM is in fact a Muslim who is standing up against those barbarians. It's ridiculous. I can't imagine that anyone in their right mind would look upon these acts in Nigeria and be able to defend them. Burning people? Over a cartoon? How is a cartoon more diabolical than setting an innocent person aflame?

And regardless of if SM is muslim or not, whatever happened to a universal code of ethics?

At 2/19/2006 05:18:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

@Sally, everytime I read SM I think about SadoMasochism instead of Sandmonkey. :)

At 2/19/2006 05:24:00 AM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...


you have a very naughty mind! Shame!

I thought that would be S&M?

At 2/19/2006 05:39:00 AM, Blogger Christine said...

We need to clone Sandmonkey. Make a million of him so he can continue his great work.

Ok, girls he will get a break occasionally. That does mean there will be enough of him to go around, afterall. ;-)

At 2/19/2006 06:24:00 AM, Anonymous delsio said...

It was a very pleasent thing to read all of you, sppcially Sandmonkey. This blog was presented to me a week ago by fellow in Brazil's blogosphere. Weblog from Pedro Dória to be exact! But I came here because Folha de São Paulo's article today" And I am a little shocked to know about the christians: priest and children and others killed by the name of Mohammed! This is what give bad name to Islam. They must stopped such acts and protest like civilized people. Thank you!

At 2/19/2006 06:27:00 AM, Anonymous delsio said...

And, by the way, sorry for my bad english! FYI, my portuguese is not diferent! I suck in it too!


At 2/19/2006 06:44:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Not a million SM will make any difference. As good as his blogs are & the effort he exerted in this danish fiasco but the effect in the middle east & amongst muslims is virtually zero. The masses wont change by reading how stupid they are, they wont be convinced with any logical explanation, no matter how irrefutable it is. SM is more political than religious, the muslims care only for religion than politics, & you will find their politics is religious thats why its so easily countered & refuted.
Muslims wont listen to SM because they believe his is not a muslim, he is a guy overtaken by satan & possessed, he is in need of help, he is blinded by false materialistic things offered by the infidel west, so a million wont do much to help muslims except raise the idea of how bigger the conspiracy is against them.
Someone used to do the same as SM mroe than 15 years ago & was branded a jew lover whenever he refuted typical jewish conspiracies, whenever he praised a jew rightfully, even for defending western countries stance on certain issues trying to explain the cultural differences & the way mentalities work in the west but even amonst his friends, no one listened to reason or logic but opted for prejudism.
A few great Liberal thinkers in Egypt had even tried to lift the people from their deep slumber & their works are pure genuis & timeless classics that would confound many in the Middle East today, even after decades after their death & yet, their efforts went in vain even though they enjoyed a more credible reputation amongst muslims far more than SM could ever dream...thats the bleak truth, SM is at least showing westerners that not all muslims are moronic & sub-mental, will there be someone to do the same for muslims? i doubt it.

At 2/19/2006 06:48:00 AM, Anonymous jokerman said...

Delsio, it is ok believe me, its the effort that counts.
As celia ( cruz) said " sorry but my english isnt so good looking".

At 2/19/2006 07:15:00 AM, Blogger Pazuzu said...

Ok Ok, I came here because a brazillian online friend of mine told that she has read about it in here news paper:D pretty tricky twist since I am a lebanese myself I'd have to wait for a person living half way across the world to tell me about good quality blogging in my corner of the world!
Anyway, before I state my opinion I'd like to mention that S/M means SadoMasoshism as far as I know, but then I'm more interested in the content than in the spelling (sorry couldn't resist).
Ok to say the truth, I did mention in some of my blogs that I do find the reaction against the cartoons is an OVERreaction, and not only is disgraces the name of Islam but it also Ignores Islamic Values! And just for the record it was an absurd actions made for non-religious reasons, let's face it, in all the countries where violence irrupted it was directed against local residents and it was a result of former conflicts, I can AT LEAST mention the example of Lebanon where the violence was PURELY political, in fact the only ones standing in face of the violent authors were the religious authorities I don't know if the news showed it but the Sheikhs were standing ON the firefighters' vehicles to avoid it being attacked, I am pretty sure that the same situation was observed in all the places where violence took place, but media only showed the Muslim devils, which the muslims did little to disprove as the some comments to this blog show!

At 2/19/2006 08:16:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...

@jokerman, who was that 15 years ago?

Anyway, check this:

At 2/19/2006 08:28:00 AM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

You know something, I'm going to change that rule that I put for myself when I started writing on my blog. Remember the one where I promised not to talk about any recent political events? Well, this may not be as political as it is religious, so I guess I could talk about it and try to form my own opinion. It's about the photos of Prophet Mohamed in that very
unfortunate Danish newspaper. Now, I'm not a religious person, and I don't really care whether these photos were published or not, or whether they were offensive or not, because in the end, you shouldn't really give a shit. But I'd love to point out the stupidity of the Danish artists and press and I just want to make this clear, I'm not against them or freedom of speech, I just think what they did was absoloutly fucking stupid. First of all, the fuckers knew that by printing these pictures was going to cause controversy, I mean, the excuse of the paper not really 'understanding' Islam or not really knowing how 'devout'
muzzies are to their religion is one of the most absurd arguements I've ever heard. For fucks,
sake, if you Danish cows couldn't remember any ancient history that has got to do with muslims and
their religion, then look at modern history. It was only 5 years ago you fucking assholes,
only five years ago!!! The idiotic muslim suicide creatons crashed 2 planes in each of the World Trade Center buildings just to show you that Muzzies are pretty pissed off at the way their counterparts are being treated. If that isn't enough proof that Muslims are extremely defensive when it comes to Islam, then I honestly DO NOT know what is. So that argument should be eliminated completley because it'll just make the Danes look even dumber than they already are.

As for the Muslims. They actually make me laugh. For example, Egyptian TV is urging their citezens to boycott Danish, French and any other 'infidel' products. Are you guys out of your minds? Our economy is going down the fucking drain, the majority of citizens here can't even afford fucking bread. To boycottEuropeans and expect them to buy your sorry ass products is just a lame idea and needs to be revisited. That way, you guys are fucking up yourselves, your families and your entire country. Boycotting is a stupid way to vent your spleen. Your the ones that are going to get fucked up in the ass real hard when the time is right and anarachy is going be our numero uno.

The other thing I love about muslims, is the way they just can't wait to kill. For them killing is a hobby, you know, to get away for a while. Some people play golf, whilst others kill. The Nigeria issue was the funniest till now, with the churches being burned down and the christians being burned to death. One christian Nigerian, who obviously has nothing to do with anything, and who probably thinks Copenhagen is a TV make, got his head on fire just because he was 'ONE OF THEM'. Why the fuck did they have to do that? Honestly, the guy doesnt give two shits about Prophet Mohameds photos because it had nothing NOTHING, to do with him. I compare muslims to English soccer hooligans. England plays Turkey, Turkey wins(or loses) the English will just kill any motherfucking Turk that would pass by. Even if he had nothing to do with soccer. So it makes me laugh sometimes on how Muslims think this is the 'civilized' in dealing
with things. No it isn't you stupid morons, that way the infidels are going to think of you as backward and vicous and your going to be on the recieving end of all these 'true' accusations.
And I won't blame them. And when your ass is fucked, and they declare war one you, don't
rely on religion to save you, don't use the usual primitive phrase "god said that Islam will lose at first, and then it will take over the Jews and Christians and then we will win this war." You aint going to win shit, you never did and never will. You're going to stay backward all your life and your going to fucking deserve it.

And just so you'd guys know that all that Nigeria crap is a waste of time, after your fellow devout muslims kill their countrymen, they loot. But I have to hand it to the Nigerian fuckers, it's a pretty smart move using the cartoons as a way to try to live off the infidels 'hard work'.

I honestly, believe that if the muslims shut their mouths about the photos in the first place, no problems would have escalated to these ridiculous lengths. Fuck it, these people have something called "freedom of speech." They would put a picture of Moses jackin' off and call it "freedom of speech"...that's the way they are. Leave them, you're not their enemy, no one is. If you really want to take this shit seriously
then why don't you go to Google and snoop around a bit. See what kind of sites there are that mock
Islam....why don't you try to stop those? They're accessable, and you can figure out the moderators. But no because you guys are fucking primitive and fucking weak and fucking lazy. If it can't involve killing then fuck, you aint going to get yourself into a situation where no fun can be obtained. You guys want to kill, because that's your gateway to heaven my friends. Murder. It's your favorite sport.
Enjoy it while it lasts, because you are all going to die first, and you're all going to rot.

And as for you Danes. Fuck you. Fuck you for being as stupid as that, you deserve it. Noone messes with the muzzies and gets away with it remember? Unless they're far beyond their reach. You know how it is with muslims, everything needs to be close by. And if you want this shit to end, then that prime minisiter of yours should just fucking apologize. It's pretty fucking easy...just two words, end of story. But no, he has to give you all this 'male macho pride' shit and use the 'freedom of speech' crap as a scapegoat. Well fuck you fuck your newspaper, and fuck your prime minister.

Don't you guys notice how stupid you all really are? Fighting about something that is 100% not even existant. Islam, Christianity, Judaism? How the hell do you guys live in the 21st century? If your going to believe in all this religion shit, then you might as well believe in the boogie monster under your bed, or that fucking
Father Christmas shit you came up with. It's all the same. It's all Bull. Yet everybody is killing everybody else just because you have no more living brain cells left inside of you.

And another note, you Muslim idiots should leave the United States and Israel out of this one, they've got nothing to do with what happened, nothing, ZERO. I don't know how you link both issues together, and how you think that by attacking US embassies in your homeland has anything to do with it, but one thing I can say is that my conspirciy theory has not failed me. Muslims and Arabs in particular love conspiracy, they love using the 'infidels' as a scapegoat. Please, if you're really the religion of peace then stay out of it and resolve the
matter in a different manner.

At 2/19/2006 08:29:00 AM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

And Sandmonkey, respect.

At 2/19/2006 08:31:00 AM, Anonymous Einherjar said...

Best post yet.

At 2/19/2006 08:50:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Marblehead Ghazy
You have a few cracks showing.
Anger is an energy as they say, fanatical muslims have nothing to do with English hooligans,what is your point? nothing !!!
I cannot find anything objective in what you wrote,its all angry words attacking everyone & not making much sense.
you have serious issue, you must have lost your marbles.

At 2/19/2006 08:51:00 AM, Anonymous jokerman said...

suzanne, no one you know!

At 2/19/2006 09:10:00 AM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

I'm not going to argue too much with you because this is that sandmonkeys blog. But here's the similarity. Fanatic muslims kill christians and jews just because they bleieve in another god than theirs, and English football hooligans kill others just because theyre fans of the opposing team. So they're pretty much alike. Stupid and violent.

As for me attacking everyone, don't u think that both sets of fuckers need to be attacked? Don't u think that each side is just plain fucking stupid? If you don't then you're one of the unfortunate imbeciles.

At 2/19/2006 09:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SandMonkey: why don't you praise the efforts of "Amr Khaled" when invited Muslim to stop this crisis and suggested to make a conference in Denmark to communicate instead of usless violence? why don't you point to his reasonable message in a separate article?

I quote from his message which is translated to many languages you can read here:

(We need to move on from the instantaneous, temporary protests, which represented our spontaneous sentiments (keeping in mind that we strongly condemn violence), to a new phase: the phase of carrying the message. This new phase is characterized by undertaking the burden of communicating the message)
(As Muslims we have to ask ourselves, 'Are we going to allow ourselves to become isolated from the rest of the world?' This would not be in line with the essence of our faith, and would not allow us to communicate to the world the greatness of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). We must not miss the opportunity to communicate and merge. The ayah in which Allah says, what can be translated as, "… We have made you races and tribes that you may get mutually acquainted" (TMQ, 26:13) does not address Muslims only, but rather addresses humanity as a whole. This ayah calls for the interchange between civilizations and cultures, as well as benefiting from each other. We have a lot of goodness that we must communicate to the world.

Do not allow those who want to isolate Muslims to prevent you from communicating your goodness to the other civilizations. I do not seek by this to convert the West into Islam, but I seek respect for our own civilization, as well as goodness for all humanity. The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was not sent to Muslims only; he was sent to humanity as a whole. The Prophet (SAWS) was sent even to those who do not want to convert to Islam, and to those who are furthest away from Islam. Allah says, what can be translated as, "And in no way have We sent you except as a mercy to the worlds" (TMQ, 21:107). He was sent to humans as well as to other creatures. He was sent as a mercy to Muslims and non-Muslims; to Christians, Jews, Buddhists Hindus, and all) from www.amrkhaled.net

btw I totaly agree with Pazuzu's comment.

At 2/19/2006 09:35:00 AM, Anonymous Blower said...

Sad news!
I feel also sad that the peaceful and civilised acts of some people is being covered by the shameful acts of others. Anyway, it seems that it not fruitless!At least, it will teach both sides how to deal wisely next time in such critical situations. I am sure however that it will enhance the relationship between civilisations in a positive way.

Myself, after the kind initiatives by some young Danish (who made the website apologising for Muslim world) and some positive comments by some Danish diplomatics, I really appreciate how civilised they are and I like them more. Sometime, you have to apologise not because you are wrong, but because you hurt the feeling of other people! I think this is the point!

Anyway, violence will never be the answer or the solution neither the bootlicking!

At 2/19/2006 10:05:00 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

Sandy: The only reason I question the comment 'best post ever' is that you have set such a high standard with all yout posts it's hard to judge between them.

(You underestinate the number, btw. Before today's protests, the number, according to the AP, was at least 45, and with the current protests in Indonesia, this may be higher before I complete this.)

I'd suggest though that the real problem is not MCS but MS, Muslim Syndrome. What it actually is is Fundamentalist/Literalist Syndrome, but the trouble is both that, unlike other 'people of the book' Muslims are expected to be F/L, and the proportion is so much higher in Islam, and also that Muslims have higher expectations of their own religion than do other groups. (Some passages in the Qur'an do exacerbate this as well.)

I will be going into even more longwinded a discussion of this in my own blog -- if some personal problems that have exploded around me settle down enough to let me. But let me try to say what I mean with what is, for me, brevity.

An F/L is taught certain things about his 'sacred text.' That it comes directly from God, that it contains all needed truth, and that it is free from error. (A non-F/L believer can still accept the Sacred-text as Divinely inspired, as the best a human writer could reach towards his understanding of what God wants of humanity, etc, and still accept the humanity and, in details, fallibility of the text.)

But the F/L is not totally insulated from the outside world and does receive information that conflicts with the belief he has been told he MUST hold on to. (In sexual matters, as well, his normal human urges conflict with the rules supposedly proscribed by God -- even to the point of forbidding masturbation.)

The tension between the external evidence, the internal urges, and what he has been taught he must believe sets up conflicts inside himself. Furthermore, he is barred from developing 'critical thinking' towards the world around him because he realizes, internally, the danger that if he has the skill, he might turn it towards his religious beliefs, and he doesn't DARE do this. (This is why F/Ls tend towards a gullible acceptance not just of what their preachers tell them, but towards anyone who speaks and sounds authoritative. F/Ls frequently become the prime targets of conmen, of quack nostrums, and -- even though their religion forbids this -- frequently accept superstitions and psuedoscience like astrology.

What makes the Islamic version of F/LS so much worse is the expectations that Muslims are given about Islam, the Qur'an, and Mohammed. The Qur'an is the perfect book (despite the fact that it is repeptitive, occasionally incoherent, and arranged by length of Sura -- with, according to some -- some verse put in at random because they were spoken, but the compilers weren't sure when.) Mohammed is the perfect man (despite the fact that, as a human, he did make mistakes, compromises, etc.). Islam is a Complete Way of Life (I won't go into all the ways this fails here, see my blog, but just mention one, the fact that modern life requires the use of interest and credit that is haram in Islam.)

And Islam is a polity, it proscribes an ideal system of government (despite the fact that even Muslims admit that no state has been truly Islamic at least since the days of the four Rightly Guided Caliphs).

In short, in its F/L form, Islam has been a failure -- despite the fact that it does have many good points if it were viewed as a 'reformed religion' such as most Christians and Jews accept. But since (F/L) Muslims can't admit the failure is inherent in Islam, they have to find a scapegoat, a reason why the World isn't acting the way it is SUPPOSED to.

One scapegoat is themselves, they aren't being 'Islamic enough' -- which leaves them open to an imam whose definition of being more "Islamic" is being more violent against the unbelievers who they claim are 'scheming' against Islam -- and there IS Qur'anic support for this.

And then there are the Unbelievers as scapegoats. They are fighting against and plotting against Islam, trying to keep it from becoming what it should be. (The Jews are a prime target, but far from being the only one.)

They will look at anything other than the religion itself, other than accepting the rightness of Big Pharaoh's 10th Commandment:
"10.Your leaders should know that what was OK in the year 706 might not be OK in the year 2006. I won’t get upset if you changed a few things in the laws and regulations as long as you continue to profess faith in me, pray to me, fast during Ramadan, give alms, and perform Hajj if you’re capable of doing so."

The trouble with much of the West's attitude towards the problem is that the response from the more virulently affected patients is something similar to today's Pearls Before Swine cartoon
(not that i think Pastis meant this, but it fits)
(I hope that posts as a link, I'd hate to have to type it in myself.)

Anyway, how we treat F/LS will have to wait for further posts, this is already too long -- though my blog entry wil probably be longer.

At 2/19/2006 10:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Sand monkey and all the other good people here.

Please migrate to Canada ASAP.
As you leave, teach people how to Duck and Cover.

At 2/19/2006 11:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marblehead - wow, I feel sad that you have such a miserable life. You deserve better, being such a friendly and polite person. I think the Danish government could use someone with your constructive attitude when it comes to questions about intregration. Why don't you join the happy Danish muslim society, live on wellfare for the rest of your life, and enjoy the compagny of your friendly Danish hosts. One more should'nt make any difference...
Cheer up -
One of them - you know...

At 2/19/2006 11:31:00 AM, Anonymous Cosmic Duck said...

"I'd love to point out the stupidity of the Danish artists and press and I just want to make this clear, I'm not against them or freedom of speech, I just think what they did was absoloutly fucking stupid. First of all, the fuckers knew that by printing these pictures was going to cause controversy"

Marblehead has a point. Maybe it was provocation for provocation's own sake, and that is a bit stupid - kind of like a schoolboy prank, which is not worthy of a serious newspaper. What is the point in provoking these people's religious feelings. That will not make them less fanatical.

You can only hope they'll get more tolerant over time. That probably takes some economic development - and a lot of education. It's easy to sit in the West with a lot of easygoing freedom of speech and look at poor peasants in ME countries that go hungry to bed, but they love their prophet. It's the moslem clergy that whip up emotions that are to carry the blame.

At 2/19/2006 11:41:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Anonymous 9.27
Amr khaled is an impostor,wealthy hungry opportunist. I dont care what Amr khaled says & i dont belive he is moderate at all, just because he doesnt call for arms doent mean he is moderate, the guy is an example of parasitical islamist, one who feeds on ignorant muslims but is ignorant himself.
Nice of you to notice that quranic verse yet you miss the point, YOu are not to foce religion on anyone, you are to work with other nations (tribes) & Races not with arrogance or pride but with humbleness & kindness.
But you must ask yourself this question, what is a muslim in the quranic text? i doubt if you really know the answer.
No, i dont blame the danes for the simple fact that 5 million danish cannot be responsible for the actions of 10 danes. As for muslims, their majority have proven how simplistic & incorrigible they are.
As for fanatics, they dont represent their own faith just as the soccer hooligans dont represent a whole nation, as you forgot to mention Italian & spanish hooligans too. Killing seems to be a human trait, the more it is found in a nation, the more issues this nation must face & solve.
No i dont blame both sides & im not an imbecile as you might wish, unfortunately for you, you are not objective & not logical, thus your argument is flawed.

At 2/19/2006 11:58:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

[And Islam is a polity, it proscribes an ideal system of government (despite the fact that even Muslims admit that no state has been truly Islamic at least since the days of the four Rightly Guided Caliphs).]
That is RUBBISH!
Islam neither does proscribe or describe remotely any system of governerance, nor was there such a system during the rightly guided caliphas, that is asbolute BS for starters.
You mistranslate the asbolute book for the perfect, the Quran being the word of God just like it was in the Old & new testament cannot be absolute because you cannot apply absolute in a non absolute environment, like the Material Vs the Spiritual.
Islam has not been a failure, but if i was to look from that narrowminded perspective then then same will be said more miserably about christianity & judaism, but thats not the case. ou are treating the quran just like what muslims regarded it to be & that is not correct, but historically speaking, Islam was more successful than most religions, especially in its outset & inception, bu then we are talking about Muslims not Islam, & christians not christianity & jews not Judaism & there is a big difference between a faith & its followers.
Islam didnt say society must implement the laws in the Quran for all times & no discussion, thats what clerics say & its not true in any case.
F/L isnt an Islamic law, if i was to interpret the quran literally it wont make sense in many parts as you have so cleverly done, its by the revelation circumstances & meaning, not the literal meaning, thats why many muslims take to arms not understanding the real meaning of the verses.
your argument has many holes & shady information.

At 2/19/2006 11:59:00 AM, Blogger Suzanne said...


Perhaps Khaleel Mohammed? ;)

At 2/19/2006 11:59:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...


At 2/19/2006 12:03:00 PM, Blogger Suzanne said...

That bombs are louder than words, does not matter, Jokerman. Fact is, that these people exist :P and perhaps people will know them eventually.

At 2/19/2006 12:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "Religion of Peace" eh; I don't think they are too many people left believing that anymore. Beating Christians to death because they are Christians - how much respect are these Muslims showing their prophet 'Jesus' when they kill his followers?


At 2/19/2006 12:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is it stupid to live and breathe the freedoms our forefathers and ourselves have fought and given blood to obtain and keep? What, should the Danes not print what they want because Muslims will be ticked off and be all mad like a bunch of babies? Wah! Wah!

A person has the right in our neck of the woods to say whatever they please without fearing for their lives - that is what freedom of speech is all about. If Muslims do not like it, then move home to where your freedoms are few and are far between and stay there.


P.S. Roman Catholics certainly to not speak for me in the name of Christianity, nor should Muslims feel they should speak for sandmonkey. It is obvious some ducks quack and others just crap.

At 2/19/2006 12:52:00 PM, Blogger Bitman said...

What I don't get is this "they shouldn't have provoked" argument. It seems to totally miss the point?

As Sandmonkey has stated in his blogs many times, the reaction to the "provocation" is way out of proportion. The "provocation" if it was that, was to get a debate going. It's a very danish thing, writen in a very danish country, for the Danish to see. And you want the Danish to take into consideration that in the ME there are a bunch of crazy people who take up any chance to riot?

What's next? If I dislike seeing praying people on TV and I go bonkers with all my friends setting fire to churches and mosqes all over, we shouldn't show praying on TV? Who's at fault here?

At 2/19/2006 01:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess here's what's next.
U.S. Embassy in Indonesia gets attacked.
You'll have to google it because I didn't save the link.

I guess if it's not the fault of the JOoooozzz it must be all orchestrated by the USA (oops, Great Satan)

Sadly, after all of those years fighting for equal rights, I find myself becoming a raging bigot.

Dead babies just have that effect on me.

At 2/19/2006 02:21:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...


"there is a big difference between a faith & its followers."

No, there's not. To an outsider, a faith *is* it's followers. It's just not reasonable to expect non-believers to study a religion to find out what it's REALLY all about. Islam is what we (non-muslims) percieve it to be, and that's all it will ever be, to us.

At 2/19/2006 02:56:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

Obviously jokerfuck, you don't get what im trying to say with the hooligan comparision. It shouldnt be taken literally but since your you you just proved how ignorant you are I guess I should've expected it. And when I say the Danes, I don't mean the entire population, I'm not that stupid, infact, some of by best friends are danish, and danish cheese is my fave. But anyway, both are wrong, end of story. They shouldn't have printed the fucking cartoons because it suicide and stupidity, and the muslims shouldnt take this shit too seriously because it's just utter dumbness. The thing with Islam is that it's a religion that scares the shit out of the muslims, it's not because muslims are devout or anything, it's just because if you read the quran and if you read the hadith, Islam can scare the living shit out of people. When Islamic scholars preach, they can make their audience cry and that is a fact. Explaining how theyre going to get tortured in hell for these certian things that they do. It's a stupid way of teaching Islam BUT if you really want to follow Islam correctly than that is the way to do it. Kill the infidels. That's how it is in Islam. Anyone who makes fun of your prophet...kill him.

The fact that innocent christians are getting killed, and innocent americans and jews are gettng blamed for something they have nothing to do with is just a sacrilege. If everyone just kept their religion to themselves none of this shit would have ever happened in the first place.

And as I said before, every single one of them is fucking stupid. From each side. And this is coming for someone who is pro-europe.

At 2/19/2006 03:22:00 PM, Anonymous jokerman said...

if you made any sense you halfwit git, one might have a decent conversation,but since you are what you are due to the doctor who delviered you i suppose, it cant be.
When you read the Quran upside down maybe, i dunno what islam you are talking about but i think you havent read anything in a long time, but let me remind you, jerkface, the massacres when the merciful crusaders entered Jerusalem, the spanish inquistion, the jewish pogroms, the holocaust, & many many incidents inbetween,& for the millionth time, you cannot judge a religion by its followers i suggest you go edcuate yourself first you stupid dumbfuck.

At 2/19/2006 03:32:00 PM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Welcome PC
so you think there is no difference? hmm, so let me ask you how many christianity do we have today?? How many Judaism is there?
I would say christanity went through phases where jesus said to Kill thy enemy & now its love thy enemy, as when the crusaders entered jerusalem proclaimed its not a sin to kill for jesus, right?
I guess christianity calls for slaughters like what Europeans did to eachother in the numerous battles & wars they waged throughout centuries not to mention WW1 & WW2, i guess today by observing christians, i dont need to know what jesus said or did, i can just go to a christian country & observe for myself & hooray, i get it instantly,. how very delighful, thing is, i will end up with so many christianities, & so many different versions of Jesus, same for moses & same for budgha as for mohamed, which one is right in your opinion mr Programmer? note please that only one can be right, you cant have all versions right, can you?? please let me know in clear language...& another thing, where does it say in the new testament to have a pope that serves as a link between the faithful & God...

At 2/19/2006 03:47:00 PM, Blogger CMAR II said...

Anonymous says: I really can't understand your Islam-hatred!

Hmmm...Muslims have helped my understanding a lot in the last few weeks.

I now understand from Muslims and their leaders that Islam is a religion of irrational violence. I've learned that Islam is incompatible with the values of an open-society. I've learned that reading the Quran or going to mosque makes one into a ticking time-bomb. I've learned that any nation should give a careful double-vetting for anyone with a Muslim name or who looks like he might be a Muslim.

Fortunately, I don't always pay attention to Muslims.

At 2/19/2006 03:53:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

awwww jokerfuck is angry.

Listen, it isn't a coiencidence that the majority of muslims are fucking violent barbarians. You know why? because that's what Islam teaches u. To be violent. These are the ones that understand islam, i don't really fall for that 'misinterpetation' shit you guys fall for. As for the crusades and the holocaust....well these are all based on external factors, these things happened when people were ignorant, we live in the 21st century now, using religion to kill is an idea that should be completly wiped out.

So yeah you can judge a religion by its followers. Because that's how it really is. Especially now. Look at the percentage of die-hard christians who would kill for christianity? its a fucking minor percentage....now compare it to the percentage of the muislims that would kill in the name of Allah? About 90% or more.

I can prove to you through the Quran that Islam promotes violence. But maybe on some other blog some other time.

And fruitcake, you don't have to get all mad and stuff just because you don't know what you're talking about, it's ok....I have to admit its really cute to see you like that. So why don't you go read Islam you biased moron and prove to me that it's the religion of peace. Even the name "Islam" means "surrender". You fucking cocksucker.

And I suggest that you cheer up little boy.

At 2/19/2006 04:10:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Jokerman, you don't know anything about Christianity. Nor should you. You aren't Christian. That's the point I was trying to make. Non-believers in a religion judge that religion by the deeds (and words) of the practitioners. Not by what's written in scripture.

It always has been that way, and always will be that way.

At 2/19/2006 04:13:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

Oh, one more thing, Jokerman. I'm not Catholic. I don't believe in the Pope. He's just a guy in a funny suit to me. We don't even have Priests in most protestant sects. But waht the Pope says and does reflects on me anyway, because he's a Christian, and so am I. And that's all a non-Christian can be expected to understand.

At 2/19/2006 04:29:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

You know what, I changed my mind about the whole thing. Even though I'm anti-muslims, I just read an article that pissed me off like never before. The same fucking newspaper actually REJECTED a cartoon of Jesus Christ a few years ago because they thought it might be offensive. Now, I guess the danish fuckers really did want to provoke the Muslims. And you know what? As I said before, they're going to deserve the fear they're going to live through every single fucking day.

And muslims, leave the danish alone. Go kill the fucker that printed the shit, and the one that drew the shit if you really want to "kill in the name of Allah". At least be smart with your murder u fucking idiots.

If you can't get to them, then kill their immediate family members. I don't know, maybe the Muslims around the world will feel better for themselves afterall and all this shit will end.

Im sick of religion and I'm sick of people who kill in the name of religion. For me, the cartoons werent really offensive anyway, I've seen so much worse, like the ones on Cox & Forkum.

You know what, fuck this issue. I'm sure itll be resolved by war. So everybody enjoy your life while it lasts.

At 2/19/2006 04:35:00 PM, Blogger CMAR II said...

The Marblehead Ghazy said "But anyway, both are wrong, end of story."

But they are not EQUALLY wrong.


At 2/19/2006 04:35:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

Great comment CMAR. Now back it up.

At 2/19/2006 04:39:00 PM, Blogger CMAR II said...

I left a link. Follow it.

At 2/19/2006 04:46:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

Listen, I don't know how many times im going to have to get this through ur thick head. The newspaper knew that these cartoons were provocative. And if they didnt then they must be fucking ignorant. Everybody knows how muslims are when it comes to Islam, and we have recent history to prove it. And that is why, my friend, the newspaper is wrong.

And like i just stated previously, the fact that they rejected the 'offensive' cartoons of Jesus Christ, they could and should have rejected the 'offensive' cartoons of Mohammed. So don't give me this "freedom of speech" bullshit that you liberals are trying to pull because it isn't going to work.

As for the apology. I wonder what would happen to the Danish Prime Minister if he apologizes? Is he going to feel less a man? Is he going to feel that betrayed his country? Fuck him and fuck his country. If he really loves Denmark he should apologize before it gets too late.

As for the muslims, I told you why they were wrong in the comments above. And like I said, I'm anti-muslim and pro-Europe, but this time i have to admit....both sides are wrong. I never said 'equally'. I just said wrong.

At 2/19/2006 04:49:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...

"You know what, fuck this issue. I'm sure itll be resolved by war. So everybody enjoy your life while it lasts."

You're right. Either muslim countries will punish the guilty, or the victims of the violence will punish the guilty. There's no other ratioanl way to deal with criminals.

At 2/19/2006 04:54:00 PM, Blogger CMAR II said...

Listen, I don't know how many times im going to have to get this through ur thick head. The newspaper knew that these cartoons were provocative.

So what? Are you willing to check everything you say with you local imam before you say or publish it? If you don't, are you willing to go into hiding for offending someone? Are you saying that we should all avoid offending Muslims because they might go nuts and kill someone? If so, I suggest you go live in Saudi Arabia right now, because that is where you are going to live eventually anyway if you have your way.

Check HERE for WHY Jyllands-Posten felt they HAD to publish those cartoons. It ought to convince you as it has me.

At 2/19/2006 05:12:00 PM, Blogger The Sandmonkey said...


There is no contreversy in printing a Jesus cartoon. It's not a test of free-speech, nor are people in Denmark censoring themselves over depicting or talking about Jesus. If anything, a cartoon about Jesus will cause a couple of angry christians to write letters to the editors. End of story. It would be an attempt to cause themselves a small headache for no point at all.

Mohamed, on the other hand, is a different story. The writer of this book on him couldn't find anyone willing to illustrate him. The newspaper was wondering, rightly, if the danish society was self-censoring itself out of fear of muslim reaction (the violent kind, not the letter to the editor kind). The newspaper asked 40 cartoonists and only 12 of those 40 had the courage to draw the cartoons, which included the offensive ones. The newspaper printed them as an act of defiance. Of showing that freedom of speech is absolute and cowers to no one. Such a point has already been amde with Jesus, and still hasn't been made when it comes to the Prophet Mohamed.

That, my friend, was the reasoning behind that!

At 2/19/2006 05:17:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

And honestly, do you think that the reason why they printed the cartoons could be justified? It just proves that they're stupid. If it was for the Danish press to wave their dicks around trying to show that they don't shy away from any sect, then they must have been demented in the head.

I'm fucking serious when I say this: September 11th was just a few years ago, how stupid can these Danish be to provoke Muslims when they know that they already have a huge grudge against the west. That, as I said before, is suicide.

Maybe your right about the Jesus story, because I just read that the editors were different at the time (3 years ago I assume). But still, whatever the reason was, it was ignorant of them to post the cartoons.

At 2/19/2006 05:24:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

Cmar, you obviously arent listening. Everything was going fine until the pictures were printed. OKay? They were wrong to print them. I myself actually found them amusing, so I'm not defending Muslims BUT as I said before, the newspaper was wrong. I'm not going to read that link you put up because I know whatever is written there is not going to convince me.

They stirred the shit up, whether they meant to or not, doesnt have any relevance. They did it, they knew it was going to cause controversy and it was very very unnecessary. Look at what they brought the world to? People on the other side of the world, are killing people of other religions, that have NOTHING to do with the cartoons, just because they were printed.

So, the newspaper should be ashamed of its stupidity. Mulims have been treated (rightfully) like shit in western newspapers, and they were okay with it, they just fucked the Jews up in their newspapers. And end of story. To come and print cartoons of their prophet is a totally TOTALLY different issue..

Whatever you say, you can't convince me that the acts werent stupid. They should've kept that shit to themselves. And they're the ones that should get us ALL out of this mess. Because I promise you, that if this tiny issue is not resolved soon, a war will eventually occur. I promise.

At 2/19/2006 05:41:00 PM, Blogger programmer craig said...


"Whatever you say, you can't convince me that the acts werent stupid. They should've kept that shit to themselves."

It's not illegal to be stupid. It is illegal to murder people, to burn embassies, to take hostages, to burn churches, etc.

"And they're the ones that should get us ALL out of this mess."

I humbly submit that the way to get us ALL out of this mess, is to punish the people guilty of criminal acts.

"Because I promise you, that if this tiny issue is not resolved soon, a war will eventually occur. I promise."

There already IS a war. There's beena a war against radical islam since the 11th of September, 2001.

But there will be MORE wars, if muslims keep attacking other nations. And there will be more CIVIL wars, if muslims keep killing Christians, just for the crime of being Christian.

Yes. I agree with you, on this last part. I'll even go one step further. There will be a BLOODBATH in the middle east, if this continues. A real genocide style bloodbath.

Bosnia/Serbia/Kosovo/Croatia wasn't that long ago. That's not ancient history. And there isn't going to be anybody to step in and stop it, next time.

At 2/19/2006 05:46:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

Yeah, a bloodbath would explain the future much better. And it won't only be in the Middle East, as stupid as this my sound, I'm waiting for a third world war. Europe, Asia, Africa and The United States. It's going to be a bloodbath yeah.

As for "punishing the people guilty of criminal acts" that's just far-fetched. If the Danish just APOLOGIZE, it's going to be a huge step in resolving this issue. It won't eliminate it entirly, but it will help at least.

And well, I don't care if its legal or not to be stupid. They SHOULD NOT HAVE PRINTED THOSE PICS AND YOU KNOW THAT THEY SHOULDNT HAVE. Please do not try to convince me that they werent wrong in printing the cartoons. Please. Because you know as much as I do that it was STUPID AND WRONG and should not hve been done in the first place. Not because it was blasphemy, just because it was stupid.

At 2/19/2006 05:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

marblehead: How does it feel to be such a giant pussy?

Geez guy, why don't you just bend over for anyone who threatens to go crazy if you do anything they may not like?

Grow a spine!

At 2/19/2006 06:02:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

Are you actually fucking serious? You know what, I hope a muslim fundementalist comes over to your house, kills your mother, father, sister, brother, and boyfriend (well if your a girl, and a guy) right infront of ur eyes, and I hope chops them into and rubs their sorry ass heads onto your face.

How are you going to feel then you fucking PUSSY? Thought so. So don't give me that shit about bending over you fucking twat. You can't even put your real name on the site because you're a fucking cocksucker.

At 2/19/2006 06:16:00 PM, Blogger CMAR II said...

The Marblehead Ghazy said:
Are you actually fucking serious? You know what, I hope a muslim fundementalist comes over to your house, kills your mother, father, sister, brother, and boyfriend (well if your a girl, and a guy) right infront of ur eyes, and I hope chops them into and rubs their sorry ass heads onto your face.

Are you that stupid? THAT is the justification for posting the cartoons! Because we don't want to have to dance at the whim of what some imam on the other side of the planet doesn't like. Publishing the cartoons says, we live in the free world. Get over it or get out.
And I say the same to you, Marblehead.

At 2/19/2006 06:24:00 PM, Blogger Bitman said...

MG: "So, the newspaper should be ashamed of its stupidity. Mulims have been treated (rightfully) like shit in western newspapers, and they were okay with it,"

Like how? You mean the bad press after Theo Van Gogh was gunned down on open streets? Reporting on the gangs of muslims terrorising neighborhoods raping any white girl they come by? Like the muslims appearing in more than half of all the criminal cases, dispite they "only" make up around 10-15% of the population? Is that the kind of bad press that causes muslims to think they're mistreated?

You still have skipped on the issue - are you justifying a reaction raiding and putting buildings at blaze because of a drawing? Where's the relation? Why isn't this a problem when muslim countries violate MUSLIM law? Isn't it pretty clear that this has NOTHING to do with drawings but with politics?

MG: "Whatever you say, you can't convince me that the acts werent stupid. They should've kept that shit to themselves."
Well, they "fucking" did?! The distribution of the cartoons outside Denmark was solely done by MUSLIMS - and they even added a few of their own drawings and added to the bunch of lies already.

You seem very incosistent in your anger. It's really hard to see the difference between your actions here and those who think it's "alright" to burn churches and embassies because of a drawing. Really difficault.

At 2/19/2006 08:05:00 PM, Blogger The Egyptian Observer said...

The catastrophic repercussions behind the publishing of the cartoons have been blown out of proportion. The interesting irony is that the majority killed during the riots, the demonstrations and the systematic acts of arson against embassies have been Muslim.

The response of the Arab world is ignorant, uncivilized and backward. More importantly, it is contributing to their demise - in terms of innocent Muslim casualties as well as a complete tarnishing of their image across the globe.

The Muslims' reaction is proving to the Western world that they are unable to coexist with other faiths peacefully. They are unable to refrain from infringing upon the sovereignty and civil liberties of non-Muslims living within predominantly Muslim borders or those who live abroad.

The recent attacks on Christians in Nigeria is proof. Proof that Muslims have failed to understand Islam the way the Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) sought to deliver it. Islam is NOT MEANT to be imposed.

A convert in to Islam should be objectively convinced that it is the true religion and it is the way to heaven.

In retaliation against the seemingly blasphemous cartoons published by Jyllands-Posten, Muslims decide to attack Jews and Christians - infidels in the eyes of extremists. Ironically again, this represents the very antithesis of the Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) goal of spreading Islam - it should and ONLY should be proliferated under peaceful means.

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At 2/19/2006 08:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Britman,well said! You speak the truth,although I doubt people like Marblehead can hear you through their anger.

At 2/20/2006 03:51:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Marblehead Ghazy aka shithead
You are a miserable git, ipity you, maybeyou werent breastfed as a child & your mum never hugged you, you are full of hate & such a loser, who wouldnt feel sorry for you, on the other hand ghazy, keep to yourself & dont give me your macho talk simply because it doesnt suit you. you dont know shit from spit,you are no tough guy, youre just another bigot loser.

At 2/20/2006 04:01:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

How can you be so sure i dont know anything about christianity old boy?
I am not christian but hell, i know more about it & the Bible than you know about Islam & the QUran, maybe i know more than you regarding the bible even But you changed the subject, didnt you old boy??

I dont care about what the masses or followers do when it comes to understandg a religion, screw them!
Mases are mostly rabble & misguided, trying to twist verses & scriptures to suit their material goals.
Just because some folk decide to act as animals, doesnt mean i have to be one myself.
The Point IS, judging a faith by its followers is absolutely wrong not to mention confusing & applies the same to christianity & judaism, budhism & zoroastrian aswell. To understand a religion, you have to read its main book & sme of its history to see the bigger picture.
I dont regard christians or jews as non belivers, its not my job nor is it anyone's job, It is the creator's concern only, & only he can know. Nothing in the teachings of the Quran orders me or any muslim to go identifying non belivers, thats nonsense & if anyone uses it, well then they are bigots.
Im not defending muslims, most of them are backwards & living in the past with no future, but at one point christians were like that too, So were the jews. Doesnt man their faith told them to be so.

It always has been that way, and always will be that way

At 2/20/2006 05:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not that I rant about it but I thought we (Christian, Moslem & Jew) all believed in the one God and it was only the Prophet who differed. I am a scum sucking infidel, I eat pork, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and yet I believe in the same God..go figure but here is the biggy..if I am killed by religious extremists in the name of God then does that give me a free ride to paradise ? Forget the dark eyed houri's stuff too, my wife would kill me and it's been a long time since I associated with 'nice' girls anyway. If we were made in His image the mirrors were total shite back then. BW

At 2/20/2006 06:47:00 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

I'll comment on some of the responses later, but if people are interested in another very funny take on this, check out Tomanbay's "Great Chicken Scare."

At 2/20/2006 06:57:00 AM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

cmar cmar, that is no justification for printing the cartoons. Muslim religious beliefs or fundementalism is never ever ever going to change. Muslims are too devout to their religion. I live around them, I know what I'm talking about. So if you think that posting the cartoons is a first step so the Danish won't feel like pussies later, well tough luck, because Denmark is going to be in ruins in a few years time. So I'm not going to cuss or swear or anything, I'm just going to tell you that I'm right, and you know it. You just wantto argue for the sake of arguing because everytime you come to reply to my comment, you miss the point completly.

As for cussing, I've got jokerfuck to practice on. Cupcakes tried to retaliate but it turned out pretty funny: "your mama didn't breast feed you as a child." hahahaahahaha

I guess I just made my point clear about the fag.

Anyway, jokerfag and the rest of you, I won't have to argue anymore, because i na few months time, like I said, a nice lovely war is going to take place, and all that "don't be a pussy" talk he's going come back and bite u in the ass. Because honestly, I'd be a pussy when it comes to ignorant creatures like these, they don't know anything, and they'll continue to terrorize your misreable lives as long as you keep on provoking them. That's a fact.

Oh and Jokerfuck, Fuck you once again.

At 2/20/2006 08:05:00 AM, Blogger CEP said...

The family of my sister's Bishop was one of those victimized by the mob in Nigeria. His wife was raped, his children were beaten. Whatever the religious motives of the perpetrators, the injured family's recovery from this horror depends on the strength of their faith--their trust that God will bring something good out of even this evil, that theirs is not to revenge themselves.

At 2/20/2006 10:05:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

You didnt clear anything except youre just another uneducated loser who will always lose.
try not to forget this pretty boy.

At 2/20/2006 10:16:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

"How can you be so sure i dont know anything about christianity old boy?"

Because you say stupid stuff about Christianity? A lot? And because it's pretty obvious you've never even read the Bible?

Somebody who knows as little as you should be asking, not telling.

At 2/20/2006 10:46:00 AM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

you need to reprogram yoru circuits old boy. here goes:
1- what stupid stuff did i say regarding christianity may i ask??
Are you positively sure i was speaking about the faith or Christians behaviour? or was it in some sort of hypothetical situation?
2-I did read the bible but i never quote from it till now.
3-as little as i know? wow, what a genuis you are, im sure you found out that all by yourself old boy.sure i know little but is a hell of alot greater than you will ever larn in your whole life.
aside with your banal distractions from the point you still avoid, you cannot judge a faith by its followers. contrary to what your ingenuity might say, you sasid nothing in 2 replies after that childish rant & your (yawn) boring personal attack.
by the way, did you read the quran or read bits & pieces in blogs & articles cos when it comes to ISlam & its history, you know zilch!

At 2/20/2006 11:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marbleheaded Dumbass, It doesn't matter if these fucking cartoons were offensive, provocative, stupid, or even radioactive. The point is that they are LEGAL in a free society. Legal to draw. Legal to publish. Legal to view. Legal to wipe your ass with if that's what you choose to do with them. The point is that our freedoms are not dictated by some cleric with a ninth-century education who thinks fucking sheep is OK, as long as you don't feed it to your family afterwards. The point is that in a free society, we don't burn people alive if they are somehow remotely identified with some group or culture or religion associated with some obscure artist who drew a fucking cartoon! You fucking coward, pussy-assed idiot! I'm sure that you offend some Muslim somewhere online...better go hide for the rest of your life before they come to kill you and your family for "offending them".

Islam, as seen on TV, newspapers, and in the streets, is a violent, repressive religion who's followers goal is to spread Islam "by the sword" to every country on Earth. They will attempt to use our own laws against us to prevent any discussion, disent, or criticism of "Islamic Values" like suicide bombing, beheading, and kidnapping, while continuing to attack our freedoms and our way of life at every opportunity.

We are not at war with terrorists, we are at war with Islamic terrorists. Islam is at war with every culture and country that borders it. It stops here and now. Europeans might, but Americans will not give up our freedoms, our rights, or our lives without a fight. Thanks to these cartoons, and the idiocy overtaking the Muslim world, we now see the true enemy. We, as a nation, will not tolerate further attacks. Muslims need to understand that they do not want to awaken this Sleeping Giant again. We have the ability to erase most nations from the planet. We have the ability to erase every Muslim "Holy Site" from the planet, and make them uninhabitable for the next few thousand years. Don't fuck with us, and we won't fuck with you. Fuck with us, and you never know what might happen.

At 2/20/2006 11:37:00 AM, Blogger programmer craig said...

"1- what stupid stuff did i say regarding christianity may i ask??"

Hmmmm.... perhaps the part where you challenged somebody to point out for you where in the Bible the second coming of Christ is mentioned?

You said a lot of other silly stuff, but nobody could call themselves a Christian without knowing that much, at least. And I alos consider that to be proof you've never read the Bible. It's kinda hard to miss that part! But then again, who knows what your reading comprehension is like?

At 2/20/2006 11:52:00 AM, Blogger marin_explorer said...

Something I see when people get really pissed off:

1. They get addicted to their anger, and their position gets inflexible on the subject, as if their existence depended upon it.

2. They don't listen to other viewpoints, however valid they might be. Not to mention: insulting someone never gets your point listened to.

3. Any complaints of bias by the other side, suggesting they "see our perspective" only inflames nos. 1 & 2 all the more.

4. Acceptable levels of outrage quickly become blind fury. See no. 1.

That said, it strikes me the level of anger over this issue hardly resembles the original offense. It's really not hard for anyone to see how these cartoons could possibly offend Muslims. Right--we got it. Have your say; get justifiably angry, your voice should be heard.

But here's where the "protest" breaks down for me:

1. Not understanding the original context of the cartoon's publishing. I'm sure even for readers of the Quran, there's something called contextual significance. It's a thought process whereby important words are kept within the original context to preserve the original intent. The same rule applies to the Danish cartoons; look into that, and judge things with fairness, not anger. Is it honorable to let your God be the final judge? Yes?

2. Protest is good, but violence never wins sympathy for your cause. If your cause is just, it shouldn't need violence in any form to make its point. Remember that guy Gandhi? Maybe he's not your man, but he had some good ideas, check out what he did.

3. When things hit the fan, who's to blame? If you support violent protests that cause loss of property, death, and injury, please don't blame the Danish people, their freedoms, their government, Israel, USA, or whomever else for the carnage. Those who committed the acts are to blame.

4. Consequently, when Westerners are shocked, some will find it justifiably difficult to equate Islam with violence and terror, while a minority may react with bigoted, generalized biases towards Muslims. But however easy it may be, don't lump the West into one group as "enemies of Islam". Nor would most Westerners want to portray all Muslims as ignorant, hateful terrorists. Hopefully this blog serves to illustrate there are plenty of level-headed people on both sides of this imaginary fence.

At 2/20/2006 12:10:00 PM, Anonymous Jokerman said...

Oh how brilliant PC, So why dont you be a goodboy & point it out in the bible for me will you??
what about the christians who dont belive inhis second coming, are they christians or not???
Not everything in the bible is to be taken literally.
What other silly stuff please did i say regarding christianity will you point it out , if you can??
You talk about my reading comprehension when you talk about Islam & hardly know anything about it, yes i did read the bible , no im not an authority in it & im not supposed to but i do read without prejudism, something i suggest for you.
Why cant you answer you silly & rather daft remark Pc, cat caught your tongue or what? How can you judge a faith by its followers behaviour?? why dont you give a logical reasonable answer instead of evading it? I answered your reply yet you still havent, or maybe you know it wont make much sense!!!
You know youre talking rubbish yet you talk about comprhension when your perception needs rebooting.

At 2/20/2006 12:39:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

This is for the fuck tha called me Marblehead DUmbass:

Oh no, someone is actually trying to tell me that the United States can fuck with anyone whenever they want to. Man, read your history you fucking idiot, from vietnam to sept 11th...and even Iraq, and I'll tell you how you guys can 'fuck up' really easily. And anyway, that was my whole point, a war is going to happen because of the Danish trying to show how they can be all free and shit. Freedom is a great thing, I'm all for that, but when it gets to ridiculous lengths, at a very very very fucked up time like this, then that's when stupidity kicks in.

As I said before, but you guys were obviously not listening, I'm not with Islam or Muslims or anything. In fact, I fucking hate everysingle religion, not only 'mine'. BUT, as I also stated, I live around muslims and I know how they are and how defensive they get when someone belittles their religion. You probably live in Kansas at the moment, and know nothing about shit. Stick your fucking faggoty cowboy hats if you can't really understand the real issue. You're such a fag you can't even put your name on the blog you anonoymous cocksucker.

Oh and one more thing, just for the record, it isn't cowardly to be a 'coward' from Islamic fundementalists, those fuckers can do the most barbaric thing if you even THINK of dissing their religion. I would love it if you could pass by Egypt, and just tell anyone what you really 'think' of them.

Yeah, I thought so too.

At 2/20/2006 12:43:00 PM, Blogger The Marblehead Ghazy said...

oh and jokerman, you're actually not a fuck anymore. It's a good thing you pointed it out to PC over here.

Isn't it annoying when these people actually think they know Islam just by watching CNN? Yeah maybe some of their thoughts could be valid, but these fuckers don't even know what 'Islam' means.

As for christianity, it's the second most popular religion in Egypt, more than 10% of Egyptians are christians, and we know a LOT about christianity because we like to do something called 'thinking' and 'asking'. How many Muslims do you know? what? 2,3 tops....

At 2/20/2006 02:12:00 PM, Anonymous jokerman said...

Marbleshithead ghassy
You are pitiful & indeed sick. you need serious help,seriously.hehe..& it seems i was right after all, someone in Egypt f***ed you big time, it figures...why dont you put your whole name so we know which part of this world hosts a sicko like you? or are you afraid?

At 2/20/2006 02:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where are those references to the second coming??
I hope they are not in the Epistles, cos i didnt delve into them at all, only the 4 books.

At 2/24/2006 06:00:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are we going to be afraid of muslim for the rest of oure life an give them special treament beacourse they acting liek savage


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